On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 6:49 AM, Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com>wrote:
> > > > On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote: > >> >> On 25 Jan 2013, at 17:22, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote: >> >>> Hi Telmo, >>> >>> >>> On 24 Jan 2013, at 16:17, Telmo Menezes wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I was thinking about meditation and how people report experiences of >>>> "oneness with the universe", "non separation", etc. >>>> >>>> Meditation is a process of quieting the mind. One could say reducing >>>> it's complexity. Simpler states have more undistinguishable observer >>>> moments. Could it be that what's happening is that the consciousness of the >>>> successful meditator becomes identified with a larger set of states in the >>>> multi-verse? >>>> >>>> Just the sketch of an idea, sorry for the lack of rigour. >>>> >>> >>> It is a quite good insight. I think that something like that operates >>> with dissociative substance (ketamine, salvinorin, ...). Apparently, they >>> disconnect parts of the brain, so that the conscious part get its >>> complexity reduced, and that might give a "view of the multiverse" (as in >>> many salvia reports). >>> >>> The point of finding a (comp, or ensemble) TOE is when you get a theory >>> rich enough (in universes/models), but not to much, for not becoming >>> trivial. Then the point is that to get plural-realities, some >>> probabilistic interference has to play a role in the elimination of some >>> infinities. >>> >>> The relation is known in algebra (more equations, less solutions) and in >>> logic (more axioms, less models). It is related with the Galois connection. >>> >> >> For a long time I have this weird idea that I don't have the mathematica >> sophistication to correctly express. The idea aplies to History, for >> example. It's the notion that past event did not actually "happen" in the >> common sense of the word, but are just valid solutions to a system of >> equations that is restricted by current experience. So if we start doing >> an archaeological exploration we are going to find objects that are >> consistent with previous civilisations, but this is just a solution to the >> system of equations that is consistent with present reality. >> >> >> That's consistent with comp, I think. >> >> >> >> I'm not defending (not denying) this model of reality, but think it's an >> interesting thought experiment. It puts the big bang in a new light: you're >> just looking so far back in time that the simplest of solutions works -- >> everything is concentrated on a single spot of zero complexity. >> >> >> The big bang remains awkward with computationalism. It suggest a long and >> deep computations is going through our state, but comp suggest that the big >> bang is not the beginning. >> >> >> >> >> >>> >>> Well, meditations might be enough, perhaps. Sleep leads also to >>> dissociate state, simpler version of oneself, and the resulting strange >>> "realities". >>> >> >> Even the idea that we are unconscious during deep sleep does not convince >> me. >> >> >> Me neither. I have always suspected, like Descartes, that we cannot be >> "unconscious" (if that is not trivial from the 1p perspective). And since 5 >> years, I have clear evidences that we are conscious in all phases of sleep, >> but it is a hell of work to be able to memorize the "events", especially >> for the slow sleep (the non REM sleep, in french). >> > > Can you tell us how you did it? > Personally, I noticed many times that when I wake up directly from deep > sleep I am in an alien emotional state, compared to every day life > emotions. I feel things that I have no name for. > > I am interested to hear Bruno's answer as well, but here is an account by Feynman on practicing recall of falling asleep you might also find interesting: http://books.google.com/books?id=7papZR4oVssC&pg=PA48&lpg=PA48&dq=feynman+falling+asleep&source=bl&ots=esS2abjP0W&sig=LE7R3ZFOctzrhKhFn8DJdeNmrkA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=6JUFUZvyFeybyAHE6IGIDQ&ved=0CC4Q6AEwADgK#v=onepage&q=feynman%20falling%20asleep&f=false (Starting on page 47) Jason -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
