2013/3/29 Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> > > On 29 Mar 2013, at 10:44, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > 2013/3/29 Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> > >> >> On 28 Mar 2013, at 18:59, meekerdb wrote: >> >> On 3/28/2013 7:52 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>>> Intelligence, in my opinion is rather easy too. It is a question of >>>> "abstract thermodynamic", intelligence is when you get enough heat while >>>> young, something like that. It is close to courage, and it is what make >>>> competence possible. >>>> >>> >>> ?? >>> >>> >>>> Competence is the most difficult, as they are distributed on >>>> transfinite lattice of incomparable degrees. Some can ask for necessary >>>> long work, and can have negative feedback on intelligence. >>>> >>> >>> That sounds like a quibble. Intelligence is usually just thought of as >>> the the ability to learn competence over a very general domain. >>> >> >> That's why I think that intelligence is simple, almost a mental attitude, >> more akin to courage and humility, than anything else. >> Competence asks for gift or work, and can often lead to the feeling that >> we are more intelligent than others, which is the first basic symptom of >> stupidity. >> >> > That sounds more and more "1984"ish... War is peace. > > > ? > > > > Freedom is slavery. > > > ? > > > > Ignorance is strength > > > I never said that. >
Never read George Orwell 1984 ? I just said that what you wrote sounds like that. > > I say that awareness of our ignorance is strength. It participates to our > intelligence. > > > > > > and now more intelligent is stupid. > > > > That's a contradiction and is not what I said. > Well I quote "to the feeling that we are more intelligent than others, which is the first basic symptom of stupidity.", that means if someone feels he is more intelligent than other he is in fact stupid, if that's not novlang nothing is... Quentin > I said that competence, or expertise, can have, and often have, a negative > feedback on intelligence. Someone quoted Feynman saying that "*Science* is > the belief in the ignorance of *experts*." That's deeply Löbian, if I can > say. > > I distinguish "intelligence" from competence. Competence can be evaluated, > measured, relatively compared, trained, ... but intelligence is like free > will and consciousness: it can be hoped for oneself and others, but it is > not measurable, and it corresponds to a state of mind. It is more like an > attitude, close to modesty but also courage, as it is what makes it > possible for persons to recognize their own mistake. I think that > "intelligence" is a protagorean virtue: like consistency it obeys [] x -> > ~x. > > Bruno > > > > > > Quentin > > >> Bruno >> >> >> >> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~**marchal/ <http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to >> everything-list+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.com<everything-list%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> >> . >> To post to this group, send email to >> everything-list@googlegroups.**com<everything-list@googlegroups.com> >> . >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** >> group/everything-list?hl=en<http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en> >> . >> For more options, visit >> https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_out<https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out> >> . >> >> >> > > > -- > All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
