Hi Roger,
I was searching for my Vasubandhu text (an important idealist
buddhist) but realize that your link to Stanford provides a rather
good summary.
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/mind-indian-buddhism/
It includes notably Vasubandhu's reference to the dream argument.
The yogavasistha also includes many references to idealist tradition
in Buddhism and Hinduism.
A nice book on the Yogavasistha is the book by Wendy Doniger O'
Flaherty "Dreams, Illusions and Other Realities" (The University of
Chicago Press, 1984).
Bruno
On 03 Jul 2013, at 16:04, Bruno Marchal wrote:
H Roger,
Buddhism is very vast. Basically all school of philosophy are
represented.
My own reading of the Hinaya texts makes me believe that they were
right at the start idealists, and that they follow somehow the
vedas, which are idealists. Mahayana buddhism confirms this idealism.
I am not sure of a buddhist who would be materialist in the western
sense of the word.
Many are weak-materialist, but even this is debatable.
I do think there is a trend among some atheists to reinterpret
buddhism like it would be coherent with atheism, but few buddhists
follows this trend.
Then with comp, even weak materialism is made into vitalist like
superstition, to be short.
Bruno
On 03 Jul 2013, at 17:15, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Jason Resch
Thanks very much for this, but apparently the
Buddhists think that mind is not "mental" or "idea-like"
as in Idealism, but brick-and-mortar-like, as in western Materialism.
Apparently the Buddhists believe, as our materialists do,
that mind and matter (ideas and rocks) are One:
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/mind-indian-buddhism/
"Perhaps no other classical philosophical tradition, East or West,
offers a more complex and counter-intuitive account of mind
and mental phenomena than Buddhism.
While Buddhists share with other Indian philosophers the view
that the domain of the mental encompasses a set of interrelated
faculties and processes, they do not associate mental phenomena
with the activity of a substantial, independent, and enduring
self or agent. Rather, Buddhist theories of mind center on the
doctrine of not-self[1] (Pali anatta, Skt.[2] anatma),
which postulates that human beings are reducible
to the physical and psychological constituents and
processes which comprise them. "
This boggles my mind. I am purely matter. ?????
Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000]
See my Leibniz site at
http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough
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>I would say Buddhism is closer to idealism than materialism:
>
>?ind precedes all phenomena, mind matters most, everything is mind-
made.?
>-- Gautama Buddha
>
>Jason
>
>On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 5:19 PM, Roger Clough wrote:
>
>> Materialism and Buddhism
>>
>> Materialism, since it contains no subjectivity or self, and
>> is atheisti seems to be a form of Buddhism, so that
>> is is possible that it is understandable through
>> Buddhist psychology.
>>
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