>> That exist an association does not means that this is a mathematical >> topological isomorphism in the brain of the humans shaped by genes between >> the space of shapes and the space of sounds in the form of fourier >> derivates. Right?
I don't know mate, you tell me. >> o statistically, acute sounds in phonetic alphabets is expected to b >> associated with more jagged letters and viceversa. it does not go beyond >> that. right. Maybe the designers were just having an off day when it came to 'c'. 'T' definitely looks like a tree so I'm sure your onto something. :) From: agocor...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 02:25:26 +0200 Subject: Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction To: everything-list@googlegroups.com That exist an association does not means that this is a mathematical topological isomorphism in the brain of the humans shaped by genes between the space of shapes and the space of sounds in the form of fourier derivates. Right? Things are not that way. An association is an association, so statistically, acute sounds in phonetic alphabets is expected to b associated with more jagged letters and viceversa. it does not go beyond that. (alphabets are phonetic, most of them, scripting systems have not to be alphabetic nor phonetic, can be ideographic, like chiness in which case it is meaningless to associate ) 2013/7/19 chris peck <chris_peck...@hotmail.com> Hi Alberto But alphabets are not phonemic are they? And some alphabets are curvy (Thai) where as others are very angular (Chinese) Even in Latin based alphabets there are going to be difficulties with your view I think. The 'c' in 'circle' is essy and soft. But the 'c' in 'cut' is sharp and 'angular'. Same 'curvy' letter though. From: agocor...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 00:31:51 +0200 Subject: Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction To: everything-list@googlegroups.com If the alphabet is phonethic , I guess so, because the inventors of the alphabets also had these innate associations. 2013/7/19 chris peck <chris_peck...@hotmail.com> Hi Alberto I wonder if the phoneme for 'ki' is represented by jagged letters in non Latin based alphabets? --- Original Message --- From: "Alberto G. Corona" <agocor...@gmail.com> Sent: 19 July 2013 2:03 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction the asimilation sound-shape applies also to the letters: the letters K and I of KIKI have a lot of peaks, while B O U and A of BOUBA have more rounded edges. the forms with Sharp edges are more aggressive, and this is know in design. For example the rounded edges of the Apple products, that is also in their window system is less intimidating than the squared forms of the Windows and Unix systems. It may be said that this is synesthesia is not something arbitrary but an evolutionary adaptation and thus universal. A form with sharp edges can be more dangerous, so the eye detect it fast. While a acute or metallic sound with higher frequency components is produced by rigid objects with open ends, while the opposite happens with low frequency components of bouba are produced by objects less rigid or with non sharp edges. The association is natural. For this reason there are a lot of K, X T, Z sounds in contraculture and young revolutionary movements. and also in marketing. 2013/7/15 Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com> >From a worthwhile thread on Quora. "Below are two shapes. One of them is called Kiki and the other is called Bouba. (image http://multisenserealism.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/bouba.png) Almost all respondents when asked say that the jagged one is kiki and the rounded one is bouba. This can be observed across cultures. This is an innate ability of our brain by which one mode of sensation can cross over into another." Would this kind of universality of human sense-making be likely if the connections between words, shapes, and feelings were purely computational? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. 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