On 9/11/2013 11:54 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
"But when you make an empirical observation you are interacting with reality if there's any reality at all"

There may be an underlyng reality behind. Matter and their phenomena can be a derived reality

Math -> compution -> time -> mind -> geometry -> space -> matter and phenomena

Sure, in fact 'matter' is ontologically vague in physics - an electron 'matter' or is it just an excitation in the electron field. Is a wave function 'matter' or just a mathematical abstraction. Explanations always have to be in terms of something else, ideally something you understand better than the thing explained. So I like

NUMBERS -> "MACHINE DREAMS" -> PHYSICAL -> HUMANS -> PHYSICS -> NUMBERS.
      --- Bruno Marchal

Brent

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