On 13 Sep 2013, at 03:18, meekerdb wrote:
On 9/12/2013 8:08 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
The difference is the following. Some say there is a broken glass,
but forbid you to ask "why there is a broken glass?". That is what
some materialist, and all physicalist are doing for the notion of
"physical universe". They say that we cannot find an explanation of
the origin of the physical laws, and insult as irremediably idiot
anyone trying to search on that problem.
There seems to be a lot of attributing of opinions to others. My
friend Vic Stenger, who's about as reductionist and physicalist as
one can be, has written a book, "The Comprehensible Cosmos" about
the origin of physical "laws", which he says are just models we
create. I don't know of any physicist who insists that we cannot
find an explanation for physical laws - although very few of them
think the probability of success makes the study a wise choice.
But in his book "God the failed hypothesis" it seems clear to me that
he assume some primitive physical reality, everywhere from the first
to the last page.
If he says that physical laws are just models we create, what does he
mean by "we", if we are not physical object or model ourself?
I think you refer to the physicists who believe in a physical
explanation of the physical laws, like Deutsch (but unlike Wheeler who
is a notable exception, with Tegmark too).
They don't go out of the Aristotelian frame, I think. I like very much
Stenger, especially a comprehensible cosmos, but he is still rather
naive when approaching theology, even if he insist that his critics
bear only on the Abramanic theologies.
Bruno
Brent
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