On 27 Oct 2013, at 17:27, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2013/10/27 John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com>
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I came across this today, which you might find of interest: http://arxiv.org/pdf/quant-ph/9709032v1.pdf
In particular section 3 goes to great pains to describe the
importance of the first person / third person distinction.
Of course it's important, but I didn't need Bruno's help to figure
that out. And I especially agree when is says "To avoid linguistic
confusion it is crucial that we distinguish between the outside view
of the world [from ] the inside view". Yes, we must avoid
linguistic confusion!
It's true that in everyday usage there is no linguistic confusion
and it would be silly to keep asking "what do you mean by the
pronoun "you?", but this is very far from everyday usage. This is a
thought experiment involving identity duplicating machines and is a
vital part of a proof that is trying to find something new about the
very thing that is being duplicated, identity. Under those very very
exotic circumstances the meaning of the personal pronoun "you" is
far from obvious. And if the meaning of "you" is vague then the
difference between 1p and 3p is vague too, and that is not
acceptable in a proof that claims to be mathematically precise.
So when Bruno asks "will you in Helsinki survive the duplication?"
or "what city will you see?" it depends entirely on what "you"
means. To me, and to Bruno too before he panicked and backpedaled,
This is a blatant proof of lies that John Clark likes to do.
Thanks for helping me to reread this, and you are right. It is a lie.
I miss this, or hide it to myself.
That definitively proves that John Clark has an agenda unrelated with
the topic.
I will probably no more answer to him.
Anyone else believing that John Clark has tried to say something
sensical, by which I mean, have provided a reason to not go from step
3 to step 4, is free to explain. My feeling was that he just avoided
the question by neglecting the 1p/3p distinction opportunistically,
but here he lied plain and simple, entering in the club of my real
persistent opponents who use both lies and authoritative arguments. To
do it not under my back makes it not so much less grave.
Thanks Quentin, that was not obvious for me, and a bit sad to
acknowledge.
Case close.
Bruno
"you" is the guy(s) who remembers being the Helsinki Man; thus I
would answer that yes "you" will survive and "you" will see both
Moscow and Washington. And if the ASCII sequence y-o-u means
something different in another language then John Clark would answer
the questions differently.
John K Clark
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