One needs to distinguish Fascism and Nazism. Fascism bound the nation-state into a
super-organism. Nazism added a mystic racism about blood (volk) and soil, Christianity and
anti-semitism. There were fascist political philosophers who made rational arguments for
fascism. The Nazis were a cult from the start.
Brent
On 11/5/2013 4:54 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
As brent meeker quoated mussolini, we can call it corporatism, or plutocracy. The thing
about nazi corporatism is that the nation becomes the race. A belief that somehow humans
rise directly out of the soil from the land. The market influence thing seems right,
hence the triumph of crony capitalism in american politics.
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Subject: Re: Our Demon-Haunted World
Regarding government totalitarianism in Nazi terms: Carl Schmitt reasoned that
corporations have the potential to become "states". If the government doesn't keep their
authority in check, they will enslave people and government through market influence.
We're perhaps still running "dominance over reason" pretty much everywhere in the
traditional colonial style... A few months ago the similarity of foundations and of
legal justifications for exceptional powers ("state of emergency" Patriot, NDAA, secret
Camps, limitless surveillance etc.) between international politics to political
philosophy driving Nazi Germany struck me.
Carl Schmitt focused a lot of this for the Nazis in his writings. Now, I am not equating
what is going on today with Germany then; that would be too quick and simplistic. Even
if Wikipedia cannot reflect the nuances of his writing in German, it's still worth
checking out his "work" section summary on Wikipedia and to ask ourselves: how much more
civilized have we become since then? To what extent, have we really turned a page on
this "dominance model of hierarchical politics" that the Nazis developed into the 20th
century; and re-branded that as "globalized freedom striving"?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Schmitt
I'm not so sure we completely got rid of Nazi philosophy. I wonder if John Clark would
consider this a philosophical contribution to the 20th century, lol! This philosophy
does seem to have "real consequences felt by everybody". PGC
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 7:21 AM, LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> wrote:
On 5 November 2013 17:11, <spudboy...@aol.com> wrote:
I would put marxism and fascism close together and not polar opposites. Because Marxists
claim that they are for the proles does not really mean that they are. It just means
that they try to BS people with this claim. In fact, there are no, non mixed economies
anymore, in the us, china, and russia. Its all a two classsystem of rule by party
leaders, and their pet billionaires. Cronyism. Marxism killed 40 million people in
China, during the great leap forwards. It was never deliberate, but
doing practices that ruined crop growth, by following party eddicts.
You're conflating the works of Karl Marx with people who paid lip service to them. Do
you uncritically believe that (say) America has a free market economy because they say so?
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