I stay away from the dark side of the internet
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 10:17 PM, LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> wrote: > Not even on the deep net? > > > On 6 November 2013 16:15, Richard Ruquist <yann...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> According to the Wired article, deep net is the tor system >> invented or developed by the govt to be impenetrable >> hence NSA's comment that "Tor sucks". >> >> You can read the Wired article here: >> http://www.wired.com/magazine/ >> but the last issue is not on the net yet. >> Richard >> >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 5:52 PM, Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com>wrote: >> >>> Hi Richard, >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 11:34 PM, Richard Ruquist <yann...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> > The so-called Deep Net is according to this last issue of Wired is >>> > many times bigger than the Internet we all know >>> > and apparently almost impenetrable. >>> > Perhaps we will all switch >>> > to the Deep Net >>> > http://www.rogerdavies.com/2011/06/dark-internet/ >>> >>> Deep net is usually just the name given to the stuff that is not >>> crawlable by search engines. So if you have some facebook profile with >>> things that are private just to your friends, this is already part of >>> the deep net. Online banking is part of the deep net, also the web >>> interface to your emails and so on. >>> >>> Then there are systems build on top of the internet protocols to >>> provide strong anonymity and strong point to point encryption. We >>> could use this kind of system to exchange private messages, but we can >>> also use it in the following way: I create a web page and a lot of >>> people read it. Nobody can learn that I am the author of the page and >>> I cannot learn the identity of people who visit it. This can even be >>> resilient to censorship, because the page I create can be anonymously >>> spread through nodes on the net and there is no single point where it >>> can be deleted, and no way to intercept my communications and >>> determine what to censor. >>> >>> The most well know system is Tor. A NSA slide contains the comment >>> "Tor sucks", so we can assume they are doing something right. There >>> are signs that the NSA has been attempting to compromise the Tor >>> network, but they don't appear to have been successful. They do >>> aggressively store all strongly encrypted data, in the hopes that they >>> can decrypt it later with more computational power of some >>> breakthrough in cryptography. >>> >>> You can try Tor very easily by installing the Tor browser: >>> >>> https://www.torproject.org/projects/torbrowser.html.en >>> >>> Telmo. >>> >>> > >>> > >>> > On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 4:26 PM, LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> In the meantime, the corporates are doing their best to enslave world >>> via >>> >> the internet... >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/298-185/20253-focus-were-about-to-lose-net-neutrality-and-the-internet-as-we-know-it >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On 6 November 2013 02:24, Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 1:52 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy >>> >>> <multiplecit...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> > Regarding government totalitarianism in Nazi terms: Carl Schmitt >>> >>> > reasoned >>> >>> > that corporations have the potential to become "states". If the >>> >>> > government >>> >>> > doesn't keep their authority in check, they will enslave people and >>> >>> > government through market influence. >>> >>> >>> >>> I have some hope that technology will soon enable a new type of >>> >>> corporation that isn't really a power structure. It has been >>> suggested >>> >>> that BitCoin is, in fact, already such a thing. BitCoin is out of the >>> >>> control of its creators, while at the same time having rewarded them >>> >>> for their invention. And it's growing. This could be extended to all >>> >>> things. For example, a decentralised network could connect patients >>> >>> and health care providers in a free market of 1-to1 interactions, >>> >>> propagate trust and reputation and so on. It could even allow for the >>> >>> petition and providing of pro-bono work. The beauty of this sort of >>> >>> thing is that it self-regulates: there's no CEO, no management, no >>> >>> power struggles. >>> >>> >>> >>> > We're perhaps still running "dominance over reason" pretty much >>> >>> > everywhere >>> >>> > in the traditional colonial style... A few months ago the >>> similarity of >>> >>> > foundations and of legal justifications for exceptional powers >>> ("state >>> >>> > of >>> >>> > emergency" Patriot, NDAA, secret Camps, limitless surveillance >>> etc.) >>> >>> > between >>> >>> > international politics to political philosophy driving Nazi Germany >>> >>> > struck >>> >>> > me. >>> >>> > >>> >>> > Carl Schmitt focused a lot of this for the Nazis in his writings. >>> Now, >>> >>> > I am >>> >>> > not equating what is going on today with Germany then; that would >>> be >>> >>> > too >>> >>> > quick and simplistic. Even if Wikipedia cannot reflect the nuances >>> of >>> >>> > his >>> >>> > writing in German, it's still worth checking out his "work" section >>> >>> > summary >>> >>> > on Wikipedia and to ask ourselves: how much more civilized have we >>> >>> > become >>> >>> > since then? To what extent, have we really turned a page on this >>> >>> > "dominance >>> >>> > model of hierarchical politics" that the Nazis developed into the >>> 20th >>> >>> > century; and re-branded that as "globalized freedom striving"? >>> >>> > >>> >>> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Schmitt >>> >>> > >>> >>> > I'm not so sure we completely got rid of Nazi philosophy. I wonder >>> if >>> >>> > John >>> >>> > Clark would consider this a philosophical contribution to the 20th >>> >>> > century, >>> >>> > lol! This philosophy does seem to have "real consequences felt by >>> >>> > everybody". PGC >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 7:21 AM, LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> On 5 November 2013 17:11, <spudboy...@aol.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I would put marxism and fascism close together and not polar >>> >>> >>> opposites. >>> >>> >>> Because Marxists claim that they are for the proles does not >>> really >>> >>> >>> mean >>> >>> >>> that they are. It just means that they try to BS people with this >>> >>> >>> claim. In >>> >>> >>> fact, there are no, non mixed economies anymore, in the us, >>> china, >>> >>> >>> and >>> >>> >>> russia. Its all a two classsystem of rule by party leaders, and >>> their >>> >>> >>> pet >>> >>> >>> billionaires. Cronyism. Marxism killed 40 million people in >>> China, >>> >>> >>> during >>> >>> >>> the great leap forwards. It was never deliberate, but doing >>> practices >>> >>> >>> that >>> >>> >>> ruined crop growth, by following party eddicts. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> You're conflating the works of Karl Marx with people who paid lip >>> >>> >> service >>> >>> >> to them. 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