Now, the question, of questions. Can our minds/personality which produces 
ideas, transcends our tissue and bones? Since, we are speaking science here, 
and science is concerned with explaining "How" things work, exist, we will need 
to answer How?

Locally. Relatively. Yes. Like this post depends on my computer's body right 
now. I agree.


"Globally", or theologically, it is more complex. Bodies, like orbitals, are 
map of accessible consistent extensions, and things are rich and complex, 
especially if you are open to the idea of conscious universal person, perhaps 
related to the universal numbers, or the Löbian one. 


Platonists believes in truth, beauty, justice,  ... and computationalist knows 
that those are like real family, full of tension and contradictions, which in a 
sense makes them alive, and almost recognizable from lives to lives.
Our bodies can be the vehicle of ideas which transcends them.


Bruno




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From: Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>
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Sent: Wed, Nov 6, 2013 5:35 pm
Subject: Re: shouldn't biology get a reboot?




On 06 Nov 2013, at 17:26, meekerdb wrote:


          
    
On 11/6/2013 1:06 AM, Bruno Marchal      wrote:
    
    
Our bodies are both, I would say. But we are not our      bodies, we are our 
values, ideas, memories, etc.
    
    But evolution implies      that those are not independent of our bodies.




Locally. Relatively. Yes. Like this post depends on my computer's body right 
now. I agree.


"Globally", or theologically, it is more complex. Bodies, like orbitals, are 
map of accessible consistent extensions, and things are rich and complex, 
especially if you are open to the idea of conscious universal person, perhaps 
related to the universal numbers, or the Löbian one. 


Platonists believes in truth, beauty, justice,  ... and computationalist knows 
that those are like real family, full of tension and contradictions, which in a 
sense makes them alive, and almost recognizable from lives to lives.
Our bodies can be the vehicle of ideas which transcends them.


Bruno






      
      Brent
      


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