Large cities do get a majority of electricity from a few sources. The cleanest in large scale hydroelectric, the dirtiest may be coal. If solar and wind contribute a minuscule supplemental amount of juice to the transformers, that's nice. I can guarantee that sun and wind do not provide much compared to dirty coal, natural gas turbines, uranium 235, and hydroelectric. What the issue is that making promises about the capabilities of solar and wind will not provide enough electricity, today, or 10 years down the line. People cannot live on promises, and transmission lines that suffer brown outs and black outs, because sun and wind cannot do the job, consistently, is no cause for comfort. Germany. As for Germany and its vaunted success stories with wind and solar, lets go to the mainstream progressive, pro-Green media. Germany now produces megatons more pollution on coal burning system (American Coal!) since it shut down its uranium burners.
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/apr/20/world/la-fg-germany-nuclear-20120421 and http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/27/business/german-offshore-wind-farms/ They are both, on your side of this argument, but realize that the ideology of electricity, rather then the engineering of electricity, causes big troubles. Freeman Dyson guess-timated once, that the Sun, in a single second, produces more power than humanity does in a single year. He posited that the Sun give off 33 Trillion times the energy that we might ever use. So, your concept must be correct, but engineering a civilization that can survive on solar power is, so far, a real bottleneck. This is our disagreement in essence. I would want a solar power system that can power humankind, that is tactile, that we can roll our tongues over, that really exists, and really does the job, and not just bright promises. We are thinking about human survival, you know? -----Original Message----- From: Chris de Morsella <cdemorse...@yahoo.com> To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Sat, Nov 9, 2013 6:29 pm Subject: RE: Our Demon-Haunted World -----Original Message----- From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of spudboy...@aol.com Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 2:57 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Our Demon-Haunted World >>OK, a polemicist. Now tell me what city on Earth, say with a population of 1 million or more is powered, 24 hours per day, all year round, homes hospitals, factories, by your precious 40 gigawatts? This is versus bad electricity sources like coal, hydroelectric, uranium or natural gas. Peking, Boston, Tokyo, Moscow? Brussels? Miami? No large city on earth gets its electrical powered from a single source of electricity generation. The grid(s) is a vast diversified machine you just don't seem to get. Here is something for you to chew on: During the first half of 2012 Germany got more than a quarter of its electric energy supply from renewable sources. Last I checked Germany was a leading industrialized metropole of global importance and it is starting to get a quarter of its electricity from renewable sources (of which wind and solar comprise more than half) -----Original Message----- From: Chris de Morsella <cdemorse...@yahoo.com> To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Sat, Nov 9, 2013 2:25 pm Subject: RE: Our Demon-Haunted World From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of spudboy...@aol.com Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 9:38 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Our Demon-Haunted World Brent, my analogy, however badly its thought-up, is to force the idealists to produce. My idea was to force the idealist back to painful reality and hard choices, rather then mentally living in La La land. Saying "Oh they're working on solar and soon.." Unacceptable. Tomorrowland existed no where except at Disney World. Naw. This is about getting the thinker to be realists, and not dreamers. There are more than 40GW of installed solar capacity existing now and the rate of increase of capacity is literally exploding. You don’t know what you are talking about spudboy; you keep repeating nonsensical opinions with no evidence for them whatsoever.You are being a polemicist; and that is all you are doing. -----Original Message----- From: meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:54 pm Subject: Re: Our Demon-Haunted WorldOn 11/8/2013 5:48 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: If you hold the Rational Optimist view aka Matt Ridley, people will act altruistic much more, if they get a reward, then in they get jack. A dictatorship of your own preference is suitable for many, but not for most. Plus, think about pure materiality. If a cruel dictator has his goon point a semi-automatic at each of our heads and demands of us to immediately produce an energy source that will power his civilization for the rest of his life, Easy. Set him on fire. :-) Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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