On 12 Nov 2013, at 18:45, meekerdb wrote:
On 11/12/2013 2:55 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 12 Nov 2013, at 04:44, meekerdb wrote:
Experience may be like that; everything has 'experience', it's
just not human experience and when you stop having human
experience you're dead.
Why? If by dying we remember being something different from human,
I would still feel like I am surviving. (Amazingly, salvia can lead
to such an experience/hallucination).
Yes, if you remember.
OK, here we are at a crucial vexing complex point. To address that
question, we should engage in an type of thought experiment, which I
have not used in the UDA, although I have use it implicitly at the
inspiration level for the mathematical AUDA. It is also sleepy in the
dream argument, or in a comp (re)interpretation of Maury's theory of
dreams (refuted in his usual interpretation by the experimental
testing of the REM dream lucidity).
Those different type of thought experiment involve amnesia of some
kind, and certainly ask for some imagination.
It appears also in Saibal Mitra bactracking.
A recurring thema.
But honestly, without mastering the usual "non-amnesic" type of
experience, I am not sure it makes sense to even try those more subtle
thought experiences. A study of pathological state of consciousness
can help probably.
It is related with the renormalization, which simple case is got in
the "material" (in the Plotinian sense) Bp & Dt.
The idea here is that the realities in which "you"(the 1-you) don't
survive count for nothing in the measure. It is again quasi
tautological.
The realities where you survive with some amnesia get a role
proportional to *your* ability to recognize yourself in the other. If
the usual comp (where you survive integrally with no amnesia, when
substituted at some level) is assumed, some thought experience can
hint that we might survive at all level of substitution, in possible
intermediate non-physical realties (but still arithmetical). The
probabilities might even depends on our descendants, which might make
them lower or higher through diverse theo/bio-technologies (which
might free us from, or freeze us in, the Samsara).
But I don't remember anything earlier than about age 4 and neither
do other people I know. Which then implies that we are not past
eternal and so it is possible to not be future eternal.
It depends of what you are willing to believe you are, or with what
you are willing to identify with. There is a part of intrinsic first
personal *choice* here.
Also, with comp, not everything has experience. Only persons, and
they need the support of some computational self-reference ability.
And brains provide that support.
Yes. Locally.
But a brain is itself a persistent relative information pattern
belonging to infinities of computations. Why it seems linear and
symmetrical remains to be explained (if that is really the case).
Here , "Another Woman"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_XHVdz2uRQ
is a Harlequin movie which illustrates how amnesia can be pleasing/
helpful until the memory come back. It is an "Harlenquin", so no
worry: happy ending guarantied :)
Hmm... Identity and amnesia is a frequent theme in the Harlequin
series, as you can see by typing "harlequin romance movies amnesia" in
youtube.
Bruno
http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
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