Hi Mitch, No, not a thing, as in "...what is this Logic comprised of...". If it is a "thing" then it could not possibly be any subset of the universe (this particular subset of the multiverse or the total multiverse). It would have to be the entire omniverse; all that exists. But that would not answer my question: What animates the logic? Where doth the fire emanate?
Maybe the "fire", to use a word from my fav philosopher, is what is fundamental and all the "things" are its sub-invariants. (I have to invent a word here. What would you denote that which "remains the same" withing some transformation of some subset of all that exists?) "Fire rests by changing." -- Heraclitus On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 2:04 PM, <spudboy...@aol.com> wrote: > Your theory comes from Von Neumann, and Chaitin, and Wolfram, does it not, > Edgar? That everything is a program or cellular automata, and "in the > beginning was a program." Following along, what is this Logic comprised of > (sort of like SPK's query) is it electrons, is it virtual particles, is it > field lines? Where doth the logical structure sleep? In Planck Cells? I > apologize if my questions annoy, but where is the computer network that > computes the current state of the universe. Can we get MIT physicist Seth > Lloyd to shake a stick or a laser pointer, or otherwise, display, where > this abacus dwells? > > Thanks, > Mitch > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Paul King <stephe...@charter.net> > To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Sun, Dec 22, 2013 1:36 pm > Subject: Re: Bruno's mathematical reality > > Dear Edger, > > Where does the "fire" come from that animates the "logic"? > > > On Friday, December 20, 2013 6:52:54 PM UTC-5, Edgar L. Owen wrote: >> >> All, >> >> The fundamental nature of reality is examined in detail in my recent >> book on Reality available on Amazon under my name. >> >> Marchal is on the right track, but reality consists not just of numbers >> (math) but is a running logical structure analogous to software that >> continually computes the current state of the universe. Just as software >> includes but doesn't consist only of numbers and math, so does reality. In >> fact the equations of physical science make sense only when embedded in a >> logical structure just as is the case in computational reality. >> >> Modern science has a major lacuna, the notion that all of reality is >> mathematical, that prevents science from grasping the complete nature of >> reality. In truth all of reality is logical, as is software, and the >> mathematics is just a subset of the logic. After all, modern science with >> its misguided insistence that all of reality is mathematical, has had >> nothing useful to say about the nature of either consciousness or the >> present moment, the two most fundamental aspects of experience. However I >> present a computational based information approach to these in my book >> among many other things. >> >> The second clarification that needs to be made to the post on Marchal's >> work is that human math and logic are distinct from the actual math and >> logic that computes reality. The human version is a generalized and >> extended approximation of the actual that differs from the actual >> logico-mathematical structure of reality in important ways (e.g. infinities >> and infinitesimals which don't actually exist in external reality). >> >> I can explain further if anyone is interested, or you can read about it >> in my book... >> >> Edgar Owen >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/everything-list/sqWzozazMg0/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- Kindest Regards, Stephen Paul King Senior Researcher Mobile: (864) 567-3099 stephe...@provensecure.com http://www.provensecure.us/ “This message (including any attachments) is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is non-public, proprietary, privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law or may be constituted as attorney work product. 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