On 22 Dec 2013, at 20:04, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
Your theory comes from Von Neumann, and Chaitin, and Wolfram, does
it not, Edgar? That everything is a program or cellular automata,
and "in the beginning was a program." Following along, what is this
Logic comprised of (sort of like SPK's query) is it electrons, is it
virtual particles, is it field lines? Where doth the logical
structure sleep? In Planck Cells? I apologize if my questions annoy,
but where is the computer network that computes the current state of
the universe.
In the arithmletical reality which probably emulates all computations
(in the standard sense of computer science).
But the Wolfram theory is incorrect, as it assumes comp, and don't
take the FPI into account (nor even the quantum one).
Bruno
Can we get MIT physicist Seth Lloyd to shake a stick or a laser
pointer, or otherwise, display, where this abacus dwells?
Thanks,
Mitch
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From: Stephen Paul King <stephe...@charter.net>
To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Dec 22, 2013 1:36 pm
Subject: Re: Bruno's mathematical reality
Dear Edger,
Where does the "fire" come from that animates the "logic"?
On Friday, December 20, 2013 6:52:54 PM UTC-5, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
All,
The fundamental nature of reality is examined in detail in my recent
book on Reality available on Amazon under my name.
Marchal is on the right track, but reality consists not just of
numbers (math) but is a running logical structure analogous to
software that continually computes the current state of the
universe. Just as software includes but doesn't consist only of
numbers and math, so does reality. In fact the equations of physical
science make sense only when embedded in a logical structure just as
is the case in computational reality.
Modern science has a major lacuna, the notion that all of reality is
mathematical, that prevents science from grasping the complete
nature of reality. In truth all of reality is logical, as is
software, and the mathematics is just a subset of the logic. After
all, modern science with its misguided insistence that all of
reality is mathematical, has had nothing useful to say about the
nature of either consciousness or the present moment, the two most
fundamental aspects of experience. However I present a computational
based information approach to these in my book among many other
things.
The second clarification that needs to be made to the post on
Marchal's work is that human math and logic are distinct from the
actual math and logic that computes reality. The human version is a
generalized and extended approximation of the actual that differs
from the actual logico-mathematical structure of reality in
important ways (e.g. infinities and infinitesimals which don't
actually exist in external reality).
I can explain further if anyone is interested, or you can read about
it in my book...
Edgar Owen
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