On 24 Dec 2013, at 13:48, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
All,
Both Roger and Bruno took issue with my definition of reality to
include theories about reality.
The theories can be real, even when they are wrong. You should quote
the assertions said, as I have no idea what makes you think I said
that theories does no belongs to reality.
But the proper definition of reality is that reality includes
everything that exists and theories of reality most certainly exist.
Yes, indeed.
Roger and Bruno seem to be coming from the old dualistic definition
of reality in which some things (generally the 'physical' world) are
real and some things aren't real (generally thoughts e.g. about the
physical world).
If computationalism is correct, only a tiny part of arithmetic needs
to be assumed. the rest belongs to numbers hallucination, but those
are real and obey precise laws.
While this dualistic definition of reality may be useful in daily
life it fails on the philosophical level. In truth the entirety of
reality is computational
This is logically impossible. If reality is computational, then I am
computational, but if I am computational, the UDA shows that reality,
whatever it is, cannot be entirely computational.
Computationalism is monist, like Everett QM, but without assumption on
the physical, which has to be derived from addition and multiplication
(with computationalism at the meta-level).
There is only arithmetic relation at the ontological level, and the
rest are this arithmetical reality seen from different angle from
inside. The "angle" are handled by the arithmetical self-reference
theory.
Bruno
and both 'physical' events and mental are both part of that same
single computational nexus. Roger gives the example of hitting a
table with his fist as something that is real as opposed to a theory
about reality which isn't but in fact the reality of the experience
of both is electrical signals (information computations) in the
brain. They are both computations in the brain.
The proper definition is that everything that exists is real and
therefore part of reality. Everything that exists is a
computationally evolving information state in reality and that is
why it is real, however its reality is exactly what it actually is,
what its computational forms actually are, and this is true for
everything including both what our minds interpret as 'physical'
events and 'mental'. If you must make that distinction then of
course everything without exception in our thoughts and experience
is mental, but the deeper truth is that its all computationally
evolving information however it's interpreted by our minds.
Thus the only philosophically consistent definition of reality
includes everything that exists without exception, including
thoughts and theories.
But there is a deeper truth here in that reality itself exists
independently of its particular contents as a thing in itself. In
fact prior to the big bang it was empty of any actualized
information at all, but it still existed in a state similar to a
generalized quantum vacuum.
This reality itself is what makes the computations that occur within
it real and actual and have being, it is what gives them life. It is
what I call 'Ontological Energy' which is simply the (non-physical)
space of reality whose presence manifests as the present moment in
which we and everything exists. All the computationally evolving
information that exists exists like waves, ripples and currents in
the sea of existence itself, in the ocean of ontological energy, the
logical space or locus of reality and actuality.
Reality is a single ocean of ontological energy and everything that
exists exists as a computationally evolving information form within
it. There is nothing outside of it because there is no outside.
Therefore there is no possibility of anything being 'not real' or
not part of reality. There is only the different categories of
reality of different information forms within reality.
Edgar
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