On 24 Dec 2013, at 14:08, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
Bruno,
No faith is needed at all for a God defined as reality itself. It's
simply a definition. No faith is needed at all. Reality (defined as
the totality of all that exists) self-evidently exists, therefore
God defined as reality must exist.
Very often "totality" are inconsistent. To believe that there is a
totality making sense needs some act of faith.
The only thing which is sure is consciousness here and now, but all
content of consciousness (except thois one) is subject to doubt.
"Reality" is not a term that we can take for granted. It is what we
search for, in this or that theories.
Very simple logic... I'm surprised you would disagree with it!
I am afraid it is not simple at all. You seem to believe in some
primitive physical reality, but that is epistemologically inconsistent
with the assumption of computationalism. If we are machine, the mind-
body problem get more complex as we have to justify the laws of
physics from only addition and multiplication of non negative integers.
Bruno
Edgar
On Monday, December 23, 2013 1:48:40 PM UTC-5, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
All,
The question of whether God exists is meaningless without first
giving some definition of what is meant by God, of how God is
defined. Otherwise everyone is talking about different things and
nothing will go anywhere.
If you need a God there is only one possible rational definition and
that is to just define God as the universe itself. First there is
now absolute certainty that God does exist (all the interminable
meaningless arguments vanish), and second his attributes now become
the proper subject matter of science and reason rather than
ideology, faith or myth.
But most certainly the dogmas of all the organized religions are all
atavistic myths in the same category as Zeus and Odin which, like
them, should have been discarded millennia ago....
Edgar
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