My iteration is simply this: How does this help our species, how might this all change the human condition? My interruption in this flow of rational, logical, and analytical reasoning. I am sorry if this offends, but like Dr. Suess's Who's in Whoville, The Horton Hears a Who, and not the Grinch one, I must rudely, ask,, how this could help us? Us, the pitiful, violent, human species. God, Mind, Consciousness, and all that? It needs to be asked, although, yes, some efforts are purely intellectual. I always home in, the Existential.
Sincerely, Mitch -----Original Message----- From: Edgar L. Owen <edgaro...@att.net> To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:12 am Subject: Re: God or not? Bruno, No. The totality of reality must be logically consistent and logically complete if it is computational (for which there is overwhelming evidence) because if it wasn't it would fall apart at the inconsistencies and pause at the incompletenesses and could not exist. Thus since it does exist it must be logically consistent and logically complete. True that only direct experience is certain on the most fundamental level, but it is also clear upon consistent examination that direct experience is never as it seems to be in the sense that there is clearly a deeper reality that is obscured by direct experience. If we accept that reality is logical, which it must be to exist, then all else follows and we can continue to discuss. Otherwise all would be meaningless and futile which it clearly and self-evidently is not, since if reality was not logical we could not function within it which we do to varying degrees of competence. Therefore our direct experience tells us that reality is a consistent logical structure. We can simply define what reality is = everything that exists. We don't have to "search" for reality since it is everywhere and cannot be escaped. What we search for is not reality, but its structural details. Lastly no, I do not believe in any "primitive physical reality". Not at all. At its fundamental level reality is information running in ontological energy which is not anything physical, it's simply my name for the actuality and presence of existence which is information and realness in the present moment rather than anything physical. It is the actuality and presence of reality which manifests as a present moment in which everything, including ourselves, exists. It is the locus of reality which conveys actual reality upon the computationally evolving information forms within it. Because of its non-physical nature OE is difficult to properly describe as Lao Tse noted about the Tao which was his take on OE. Edgar On Monday, December 23, 2013 1:48:40 PM UTC-5, Edgar L. Owen wrote: All, The question of whether God exists is meaningless without first giving some definition of what is meant by God, of how God is defined. Otherwise everyone is talking about different things and nothing will go anywhere. If you need a God there is only one possible rational definition and that is to just define God as the universe itself. First there is now absolute certainty that God does exist (all the interminable meaningless arguments vanish), and second his attributes now become the proper subject matter of science and reason rather than ideology, faith or myth. But most certainly the dogmas of all the organized religions are all atavistic myths in the same category as Zeus and Odin which, like them, should have been discarded millennia ago.... Edgar -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
