On 28 Dec 2013, at 05:53, Stephen Paul King wrote:
Hi LizR,
This is fun! :-) We must remember that we are defining People as
intersections of infinitely many computations. Right?
This is a very loose way to talk. Computations are not sets, so
"intersection of computations" is very ill defined. We can say more
easily and clearly that machines cannot know which computations they
are supported by, and that the statistics will have to take into
account the distribution of 3p states in all computations.
Their perceptions of themselves as physical being having some
particular set of configuration, for example bilateral symmetry,
etc. is not really relevant to UDA.
?
So, if there is a change in accessibility to data, facts, etc. Where
is that "change" coming from".
From the computations (in arithmetic) which supports you,
This is my problem: We are presented with an argument that works
in Platonia and we have no explanation as to the relation it has
with the "real world" where things change and degrade and evolve,
etc. What is measuring that change?
We are already in Platonia. After Gödel + comp, we know that Platonia
(arithmetic) is full of change, when viewed from inside.
That should not seem so strange, as the 0 -> s(0) -> s(s(0)) ->
implements already a sort of atomic change.
Bruno
On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 11:49 PM, LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> wrote:
On 28 December 2013 17:46, Stephen Paul King <stephe...@provensecure.com
> wrote:
Ah, but they do degrade. Consider your ability to access a '80s
floppy drive's data.
Well, that's because people haven't worked out how to do it
perfectly. I agree digital archaeology is a real problem, but so
would analogue be without the relevant machines to play it back
(admittedly it's easier to decode analogue from first principles).
But that is a different form of degrading. If you have a system
capable of copying the data it should be more or less 100% accurate.
On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 11:44 PM, LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> wrote:
On 28 December 2013 17:41, Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 11:27 PM, Stephen Paul King <stephe...@provensecure.com
> wrote:
Hi LizR and Jason,
Responding to both of you. I don't understand the claim of
determinism is "random noise" is necessary for the computations.
Turing machines require exact pre-specifiability. Adding noise
oracles is cheating!
I think you misunderstand. Computers are deterministic, but they
often need randomness to implement things such as cryptography or
monte-carlo simulations, etc. Due to this need for true
unpredictability, our computers must harness environmental noise if
they are to have any hope of being unpredictable. This is because
computers cannot generate unpredictability on their own.
They are engineered not to! This is why digital recordings don't
degrade, etc.
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