On 17 Jan 2014, at 01:51, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On 13 January 2014 02:23, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
On 12 Jan 2014, at 06:21, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
I'm a lump of dumb matter arranged in a special way and I am
conscious,
I think this is misleading. Are you really a dumb of matter? I
think that
your body can be a lump of dumb matter, but that *you* are a
person, using
that dumb of matter as a vehicle and mean to manifest yourself. In
principle
(assuming comp of course), you can change your body every morning
(and as
you have often explain your self, we do change our "lump of dumb
matter"
every n number of years.
Perhaps it is misleading to say that "I am" the dumb matter if my
consciousness is not necessarily attached to any particular matter.
Yes. You own it, really.
If computationalism, or even your functionalism, is correct, it makes
sense to believe that some day, you can own more than one body (in the
unique first person reality, or in the same Everett branch), like
having eight special bodies well adapted to the "physical" exploration
of the planets of the solar system, and one more for the ring of
Saturn, where legs are so embarrassing.
Bruno
so I don't see why another lump of dumb matter arranged in
a special way might not also be conscious.
But here I agree with your point, although it is less misleading to
consider
the person as some immaterial entity (like a game, a program,
memories,
personality traits, ... no need of magical soul with wings) owning
your
body.
If the human would born directly fixed inside a car, they would
also believe
that their car is part of their body. Nature provides us with a
body at
birth, and that might be the reason why we tend to identify
ourselves with
our bodies, but comp, which I think you accept, shows the limit of
this
identification, imo.
Eventually, the UDA shows that at a very fundamental level, bodies
are only
statistical machine's percepts, or statistical relative numbers
percepts.
What is it about that idea
that you see as not only wrong, but ridiculous?
It is not what I am saying here, to be sure.
Bruno
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