On 27 January 2014 00:19, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
>
> On 25 Jan 2014, at 20:53, LizR wrote:
>
> I think you guys need to provide your definitions of God and compare them.
> I imagine they're rather different.
>
> I did. Very often. I did again in my preceding post to John Clark.
>
> And John did it also. For John, like for many fundamentalist atheists, God
> is the God of the Christian bible, or perhaps the Abramanic religions.
>

OK, so your notion of God is "whatever is fundamentally responsible for
existence" - hence primitive materialism makes matter (energy etc) play the
part of God, in that sense. I can see that - an explanation that stops at
matter and says "that's it!" is indeed making it a God, in the same way a
religious person does when they say "God did it, end of story!"

fwiw I agree with Bruno on this, his broader sense of "God" makes sense and
is more worthy of our attention than the "Sky Father sitting on a cloud"
(which isn't even the concept of God in all religions).

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