Russell,

The 'Hard Problem' is not how qualia come about. That is the subject of the 
easy problems that have to do with the structure of the contents of 
consciousness.

The hard problem has to do with the fact of consciousness itself, that in 
which qualia become conscious.


But back to the original point, how does a 1p perspective move through a 
totally static and fixed block universe? And when it moves isn't it moving 
in time of some sort? Sounds contradictory to me. Seems to imply a time 
flow for observers but not for the universe they observe.

Edgar



On Wednesday, February 5, 2014 6:17:59 PM UTC-5, Russell Standish wrote:
>
> On Wed, Feb 05, 2014 at 02:43:32PM -0800, Edgar L. Owen wrote: 
> > Russell, 
> > 
> > That's a block time interpretation, not as you imply anything proven. 
> > Certainly the equations themselves don't necessitate that... 
> > 
> > If you accept that you are faced with the intractable problem of 
> explaining 
> > the source of that moving 1p viewpoint. 
> > 
>
> It doesn't seem particularly intractable to me, although it is related 
> to the "hard question" of how qualia comes about, so perhaps you are 
> alluding to that. 
>
> > And notice that strictly block time says NOTHING moves, not even a 1p 
> > viewpoint, 
>
> Block time doesn't mention 1p at all. The subjective is not part of 
> its explanatory reach. Perhaps you are trying to attribute too much 
> explanatory power to the notion of block time? If you hold that block 
> time is all that there is, then you are basically eliminatavist in 
> your approach. Julian Barbour is in that camp, but I think that most 
> denizens of this list are not, except perhaps John Clark who dismisses 
> it as pee-pee. 
>
> > that it's all a mysterious illusion of perspective that makes it 
> > seem like something moves when nothing actually does, though of course 
> no 
> > one can explain why or how.... 
> > 
> > Edgar 
> > 
> > 
> > 
>
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