On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
>>> 1p = the content of the diary of the guy who enter actually the >>> teleportation box. >>> >> >> > >> And what is the unique consistent definition of " the 1p" after the >> duplication has been performed? >> > > > For the guy in M, it is the the content of the diary, > That is a great answer, too bad its not the answer to the question that I asked. My question was "what is the unique consistent definition of "the 1p" after the duplication has been performed?". > > For the guy in W, it is the same definition, but obviously, the content > is different. > So the definition is the same but its different. Even your irrelevant answers to questions not asked are inconsistent. > The 1p is not unique in the 3-1 view, but is unique in all 1p view. > So the 1p view is the 1p view. Well I'm glad you cleared that up. > >> Evolution can't see anything that the Turing Test can't, both only deal >> in observable behavior. Evolution didn't know or care if Homo habilis was >> conscious of the Saber Toothed Tiger in the bushes nor did it care if it >> intended to survive its attack or not, it only cared if it did or didn't, >> it only cared if it lived long enough to have offspring or if it didn't. >> > > > Evolution don't care even of that. But it works through that, and so > might care on consciousness as it can help the predator and the prey is > their respective goal and motivation. > If consciousness helps the predator then it must effect behavior and if it effects behavior then the Turing Test works for consciousness as well as intelligence. If Evolution can see something then so can the Turing Test, if the Turing test can't see something then neither can Evolution. > Consciousness is needed for making sense of pleasant and unpleasant, > Evolution has no need of that, Evolution can't tell (and wouldn't care if it could) if the animals it created can make sense out of things or not. So if animals can nevertheless at least sometimes manage to make sense out of things then that ability can only be the byproduct of something else that Evolution does care about, like intelligent behavior that lets the animals genes get into the next generation. > We cannot detect it, nor can be detect intelligence. We can detect > competence, relatively to a domain. > Apparently you believe the distinction between the words "intelligence" and "competence relative to a domain" is important. I do not. > Comp extends Darwin on the physical laws. > Well good for "comp". > To get this, though, you need steps 3, 4, 5, 6, 7. > First fix the blunders in the first 3 steps. >> Apparently you think the distinction between Evolution creating >> consciousness and Evolution creating " the condition of some possible >> manifestation of it" is important. I do not. >> > > > But you have to if you accept comp > Then whatever "comp" is I don't accept it. >>> If you assume comp [blah blah] >>> >> >> >> I don't. >> > > > Of course you do. > No I do not. I assume that computationalism is probably true but I know that your strange made up word "comp" is not just the way a lazy man canwrite "computationalism" and avoid the agony of typing 12 extra letters because you are constantly saying things like "If you assume comp then [blah blah]" when I don't think blah blah is true or even believe that blah blah is coherent. So whatever "comp" means it doesn't mean "computationalism". > you need to find a flaw in the UDA. (Not just faking a confusion between > 1p and 3p notion > Why on earth would I do that? I have never found the need to fake it, from the time I was a small child I realized that I am quite capable of being legitimately confused all on my own. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
