On 15 February 2014 09:03, John Mikes <jami...@gmail.com> wrote: > LizR: but WHO is the observer? In my vocabulary "observer" is > anyrhing/body acknowledging input on anything/body. > (from a charged ion to G.B.Shaw upon an electric charge up to a > drama-input.Observation is part of consciousness (again > in my terms: as response to relations). (Now Brent, please, do not accuse > me, the agnostic, of "knowing" too much). > In such case there is no problem with the 'early' universe, no matter how > we imagine the explanations of 'observed' data > any time by our "science". >
But we weren't talking about your vocabulary, we were talking specifically about comp. And in comp, as far as I know, an "observer" has to be a conscious being (see exchange quoted below). JM. > > > On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 3:47 PM, LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 13 February 2014 09:18, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote: >> >>> On 12 Feb 2014, at 18:58, meekerdb wrote: >>> >>> That doesn't follow. If there are disjoint worlds, as contemplated in >>> some versions of cosmology, they may have different physics. >>> >>> Nice, comp predicts that this is impossible, although I can agree this >>> is a matter of semantics, as I define a physical laws to be true for all >>> universal machines, so disjoint worlds will have only different geographies. >>> >> >> So you're saying that only those worlds with observers in exist, >> according to comp? So the physics they observe will necessarily be such >> that it allows them to exist? (In other words, the "Strong Anthropic >> Principle" ?) >> >> If so, how do you account for us being able to observe an early universe >> in which there were apparently no observers? Or do we as obsverers create >> it (somehow) ? >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
