"was is" - sorry, I hit send too soon. (Pick one!)
I'm also for wind farms, when I lived in Wellington we had lots of those
and I was quite happy with them. If you've got it...!
And I would be for nuclear, if it could be shown to be safe (within
reason). Nuclear free New Zealand relies heavily on the nuclear subs and
warships of friendly powers being around!!!
On 4 March 2014 12:46, LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 4 March 2014 06:48, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 Chris de Morsella <cdemorse...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > With power stations you don't need to worry about the same factors
>>> (energy density etc) but you do need to worry about other things
>>>
>>
>> And one of those other things you need to worry about is dimwitted and
>> hypocritical environmentalists who don't want power stations of ANY sort
>> built, ANYWHERE regardless of if they are renewable or non-renewable:
>>
>> *At the urging of environmentalist groups Sen. Feinstein of California
>> has tried to put 500,000 acres of solar drenched land in the Mojave desert
>> off limits to any solar development.
>>
>> *Environmentalists tried everything they could think of to block a 2.1
>> billion dollar solar plant in Ivanpah California.
>>
>> * The same people are trying to block a 680 million dollar solar plant in
>> Owens Valley.
>>
>> * They were successful in killing a solar power station in Fresno County
>> California that would have supplied enough greenhouse free energy to power
>> 75,000 homes.
>>
>> * Environmentalists are trying their best to stop Obama from extending
>> permits to build wind farms from 5 years to 30 because they kill little
>> birdies.
>>
>> *And to quote directly from their website:
>>
>> "The Sierra Club opposes geothermal leasing or development in the
>> following areas:
>>
>> 1. Lands included in or adjacent to federal, state, or local park
>> systems or in wildlife refuges and management areas;
>> 2. Areas known to provide habitat for rare or endangered species;
>> 3. Areas designated as valuable for archaeological remains;
>> 4. Units of the National Wilderness preservation System;
>> 5. Units of the Wild and Scenic Rivers System;
>> 6. Units of the National Trails System;
>> 7. Areas reserved by the Secretary of the Interior or the Secretary
>> of Agriculture for ecological, scenic, natural, wildlife, geological,
>> educational, historical, or scientific value, including Primitive Areas,
>> Roadless Areas, Natural Areas, and Pioneer Areas;
>> 8. Areas of de facto wilderness under study by the Secretary of the
>> Interior or the Secretary of Agriculture for reservation as part of one of
>> the preservation systems listed above; and
>> 9. Areas of de facto wilderness which are the subject of intensive
>> study by recognized citizen groups or coalitions, resulting in formal
>> proposals to the agencies and/or Congress for reservation as part of one
>> of
>> the preservation systems listed above."
>>
>> As I said the prefers solution to the energy crises according to some is
>> to freeze to death in the dark.
>>
>
> Well I consider myself an environmentalist and I am very much in favour of
> solar power stations unless there was is a desperately important reason not
> to site one in a particular place. Otherwise it's just NIMBYism ("not in my
> backyard"). You have to weigh up the costs and benefits, of course, and in
> some cases solar might not be the best solution - but as you say, we do
> need power stations! No way do I want to go back to medieval times, I don't
> even want to go back to pre-2011 (my daughter likes her iPad! :-)
>
>
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