On 15 Mar 2014, at 23:09, Craig Weinberg wrote:

http://www.jesseengland.net/index.php?/project/vide-uhhh/

Have a look at this quick video (or get the idea from this_)

Since the VCR can get video feedback of itself, is there any computational reason why this doesn't count as a degree of self awareness?

The computational reason is that there is no computation at all there. There is no self-representation, no introspection in the computer science theoretical sense.

There is an interesting analogy, as the computational self-reference leads to similar fixed points, but the analogy stops there. The VCR is like a mirror, with some dynamical delay similar to a computer self- reference, but it lacks the computations. Simply.




Would VCRs which have 'seen themselves' in this way have a greater chance of developing that awareness than those which have not?

No.


If not, what initial conditions would be necessary for such an awareness to develop in some machines and how would those initial conditions appear?

The VCR lacks the numbers, the digital information. It lack retrievable memories, and well, the whole universality/Löbianity stuff. The VCR just singles out one aspect of digital machine self- reference, but lacks the main part: the computations itself.

How would those initial conditions appears? You can derive them from the laws of addition + multiplication.

Bruno






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