On 08 Apr 2014, at 04:29, Pierz wrote:
I used to keep a dream diary Liz, and one day when I was looking
back through my old dreams, I came across this, from October 1998:
"I am in with a crowd of people in some kind of tall building in
what I think is New York. It's one of two similar buildings. We are
looking out the window when I see a kind of sliver wave moving
across the city, like the ripple left behind by a dorsal fin. When
it hits the building, it's like being stabbed with a knife. The
building starts to wave from side to side like it's about to fall. I
wake up with the words: 'we all must experience terror'".
Nice premonitory dreams. But one case is not a statistics, so it is
hard to infer something, even if your 1p feels the contrary
understandably.
It would be nice to make a pool on all people having a dream diary,
but dreams of catastrophes are not so rare, and the possibly
convincing clues will be in the details.
That freaked me out. That's the most powerful example, but I've
become convinced of this synchronicity between dreams and the outer
world. Although I'm agnostic on the "comp" question, it seems to me
to be not at all precluded by comp (though the question might be:
what *would be* precluded by comp? It seems to permit much more than
it precludes).
I am agnostic on comp too, to be sure. (Well, comp precludes not being
agnostic!).
Comp (+ Theaetetus) precludes any physics not given by the S4Grz1, or
Z1*, or X1* logics. So we have to do the math, as I try to do in the
modal or math thread.
I think Jung would see in your dream/synchronicity not the
intervention of a deity, but an invitation to go beyond your
rational self. The numinous is knocking!
The numinous knocks all the time, it is just a question of being open
to it, I think. By the gap between the x and x* logics, with x being
used for the logics above, I could argue that the honest introspective
machine can hardly miss it, but it is not well seen in our culture, as
most people referring to it have been called heretics and banished or
worst, for a long time. We are just not modern, nor rational about it,
I'm afraid.
Bruno
On Saturday, April 5, 2014 9:00:09 AM UTC+11, Liz R wrote:
Last night just before I woke up I had a dream about a guy coming to
the door selling religion, so to speak - the details were a bit
weird, as in most dreams, but that was the gist of it - I sent him
away, saying "no thanks we don't indulge" or words to that effect.
I've never had a dream of that sort, at least not that I can recall.
A few minutes ago, for the first time since we've been in this house
(1 and a half years) - indeed the first time in a lot longer than
that - a guy came to the door with a copy of the "Watchtower" and a
personal message from God. I sent him away, but ... I was a bit
shaken.
Charles also had a weird recurring dream for several years about a
situation he has now found himself in, to do with work, which has
freaked him out a bit, although his makes more sense as a "worry
dream".
Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence ... isn't it?
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