Yes, in a sense. The Chinese do the virtuous because the must, because their cities are choking. Along with looking out strictly for themselves, by installing better tech, the AGW carbon cycle can ease, although there is much more to do, its still a step. And, no gestapo governments needed to order brown-outs, or people drive circus kiddy cars while the rich and their owned politicians drive in limos and fly in private liners. If we decide to get serious about the tech, there is much to look forwards to. This won't occur if the commissars are in charge. -----Original Message----- From: 'Chris de Morsella <cdemorse...@yahoo.com>' via Everything List <everything-list@googlegroups.com> To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Tue, Apr 22, 2014 11:10 pm Subject: RE: cannabis, cancer and mechanism, and climate.
-----Original Message----- From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of spudboy...@aol.com >>Understood, but China is not pursuing a policy of eliminating AGW, but reducing smog in its cities. Its not a kumbaya moment now for anything nowbin east asia as you hsve noticed, regarding china. The best way then to reduce carbon emissions is to develop clean energy generators, that can be installed quickly, reliably, abundantly, and china will follow, because it will be cleaner then coal, and quicker and cheaper thsn nukes. But it must be available to buy or steal from us, so if the chinese do this, it will help us never the less. And yet... APAC countries are forecast to install more than 23 gigawatts (GW) of solar PV in 2014, which is around half of the expected world total for new installed capacity for this year and is a 35% annual growth over last year's total for the APAC region. Almost all of this new capacity (95%) is getting installed in just five (APAC) countries: China, Japan, India, Australia, and Thailand. The Chinese Bureau of Energy recently announced an aggressive target of 12 GW for 2014, with 8 GW to be installed on rooftops, and the remaining 4 GW located on the ground. It has set itself a goal of having 35 gigawatts of installed solar power capacity by the end of 2015. This is an aggressive move to transition away from a carbon based energy towards a system increasingly based off of harvesting the natural and FREE solar flux. Again I think you are a little confused on the facts here. This is not just a smog reduction program -- though it will certainly contribute to reducing smog -- this is moving aggressively on a large scale towards solar power. China is very rapidly overtaking the US -- which already lags behind Germany and Italy -- in terms of its installed solar PV base. What most Americans and also Europeans are not aware of is that China also has (in 2012) an installed base of 250GW of rooftop solar water heaters, and leads the world in solar hot water heating by a huge margin. Americans and Europeans mostly burn natural gas to heat their water. Following? Or is that actually leading? The next largest country is Germany with about 30GW, followed by Italy with about 20GW (nice but not in the same league as China's 250GW) The US by comparison has less than 5 GW. Oh and by the way more than 80% of PV modules produced globally will be made in Asia -- lead again by China. Is this what you meant by a smog reduction program? Chris -----Original Message----- From: LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Tue, Apr 22, 2014 7:37 pm Subject: Re: cannabis, cancer and mechanism, and climate. I think you'll find China is trying to cut its pollution, particularly* air pollution, and succeeding to some extent. Basically it has to, because the problem is so bad that it's severely impacting health and production. http://www.greenpeace.org/eastasia/specials/gpm04/fierce-fight-gdp-air/ *an environmental pun, what next? On 23 April 2014 09:04, <spudboy...@aol.com> wrote: Yeah, it will be costly whether we live or die. It's better to focus on a techno fix rather than social engineering by red-greens, and the uber rich. If we want to reduce heating, then reduce CO2, methane, water vapor. Easier said then done, but what isn't? The military industrial complex was a feature on both sides of the old cold war, and china, for example has not renounced its weapons expansion, nor pollution. Peace, by behavior, has to be a two way street. One side cannot do peace while the other pursues war. Look no further than the Putin grab of the Ukraine for a timely example. Your values, are not Putin's values, which is why we have war. Probably, if people get focused on intermediate rewards that are greater than what war brings, we could have peace. But those rewards better occur, otherwise its revolution and war. You sound confused. By tax payer funded gravy train did not seem to be focusing in on the more or less permanent state of war – the war on terror -- that the military industrial complex has profited so nicely from… In the amount of trillions of dollars. If you want to start talking about government gravy trains why not begin with the elephant in the room. You focus too much – IMO – on the wee little mice (in the world of government subsidy) and fail to notice the four hundred pound hogs. Chris -----Original Message----- From: Chris de Morsella <cdemorse...@yahoo.com> To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Mon, Apr 21, 2014 10:08 pm Subject: RE: cannabis, cancer and mechanism, and climate. From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of spudboy...@aol.com Simply put, we need better energy technology, for energy and climate remediation, and not better government dictatorship, who, are all looking out for us all. If climate scientists want to pile on to the tax payer funded gravy train, that is incidental. If they have some solutions to propose, beyond proposing green fascist rules for the serfs, then I will listen. The Reich, the Soviets, and Mao, had brilliant scientists working for them too. Piling-on doesn't sell, solutions do. You sound confused. By tax payer funded gravy train did not seem to be focusing in on the more or less permanent state of war – the war on terror -- that the military industrial complex has profited so nicely from… In the amount of trillions of dollars. If you want to start talking about government gravy trains why not begin with the elephant in the room. You focus too much – IMO – on the wee little mice (in the world of government subsidy) and fail to notice the four hundred pound hogs. Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. 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