On 31 May 2014, at 15:23, David Nyman wrote:
On 31 May 2014 13:06, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
Hawking has all my sympathy for the warning against authoritative
argument, but he lost all his credits by implying that theology or
religion are the guilty one, when it is only human stupidity, that
of course any institutionalized religion can enhance, but this
includes atheism, as I have experimented, and I was not alone.
Not sure what you intended here; perhaps the following will help:
False cognates in French (F) and English (E)
expérience (F) vs experience (E)
Expérience (F) is a semi-false cognate, because it means both
experience and experiment: J'ai fait une expérience - I did an
experiment. J'ai eu une expérience intéressante - I had an
interesting experience.
Experience (E) can be a noun or verb referring to something that
happened. Only the noun translates into expérience : Experience
shows that ... - L'expérience démontre que... He experienced some
difficulties - Il a rencontré des difficultés.
expérimenter (F) vs experiment (E)
Expérimenter (F) is a semi-false cognate. It is equivalent to the
English verb, but also has the added sense of to test an apparatus.
Experiment (E) as a verb means to test hypotheses or ways of doing
things. As a noun, it is equivalent only to the first sense, given
above, of the French word expérience.
OK. Thanks for the precision. Kim told me something similar. In french
we can use both "I experiment" and "I experience" when the context put
light on the emphasis.
My point is that I have had more "religious problem" with people who
declare themselves as atheists than with people who declare themselves
as agnostic or even "general" believer (with some degrees between 0
and 99% of 'confessionalism').
By mocking the whole field of theology per se, strong atheism is an
ally of the use of authoritative argument in the churches as it mocks
all possible questionning, like the authoritative churches, and it
hides the real debate (is there a physical universe or something else).
Such strong atheists are strong believer as they believe that nothing
transcendental make sense, and usually they believe (and take often
for granted) the notion of primitive matter (despite this is already a
transcendental).
Atheists can make me more nervous when they educate you defending all
the time the free-exam, but don't even do they job when free-exam is
genuinely applied. It is a free-non-exam, and free-defamation, like
with hemp.
Of course, in practice, not all atheists are like that, but some
atheists are easily like that given my definition in term of B~g which
is a quite strong axiom, unless by g you mean the fairy god, in which
case it is trivial (at least in Europa).
It is easy to declare someone mad because he doubt the existence of a
physical universe, but this is forgetting that free-exam is based on
just that, the right to doubt proposition and question certainties.
I will believe again in human rationality when prohibition of food and
drug is stopped and when non confessional Aristotelian and Platonist
theologies are taught in high school and universities, together with a
bit of logic and statistics.
The problem are the fanatics, wherever there are, whatever their
clothes looks like. Now, some doctrine might lead more easily to less
liberty than other, and we have to be cautious not doing the p->q
confusion when relating people vindicating a belief, be it from Islam
or Atheism, or christianlism, which we can suspect to have fall in the
theological trap (using God as an authority argument for a text).
The doctrine B~g throws the baby out of the bath with the bath water,
if this is english enough. And what I meant by "I experimented" is
that in some little historical case, it happened that I was the baby,
so indulge my skepticism for the 'atheist religion', it has his
fundamentalist sub-branch like the others.
Bruno
David
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