>> That is logically impossible from the first person point of view. You >> describe the 3p view only.
Nice straw man! Whats practically impossible is for one point of view to simultaneously accomodate the experience of both surviving and dieing. No one questions that. However, that an individual could anticipate both surviving and drowning, and anticipate the certainty of both experiences in a duplication context doesn't even approach logical impossibilty. >> In the 3p pictures, yes. Not in the 1p views. Given the protocol given, you >> cannot from the first person view simultaneously drawn and not-drawn. There >> is no telepathy between the copies. The fact that copies have different experiences doesn't introduce doubt into the mind of the original about what he will experience. In this instance, he will anticipate both. he will have 1p nightmares about drowning and 1p dreams about the glory of the prestige. Alternatively, he will reject the idea that they are actual copies of him at the requisite substitution level and never conduct the illusion (he'll say no to the doctor). You cant have it both ways. In anycase, the movie is clear on the matter. It is the magician's macabre fate to know he will suffer drowning to ensure he can reap the glory. Its what makes him such a pitiful character. Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2014 12:08:24 +1200 Subject: Re: Films I think people on this forum might like From: lizj...@gmail.com To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Seconded. One could I suppose put the posts in small faint letters to make them less noticeable, but I can't see any SPOILER tags on this forum! On 18 June 2014 03:28, Terren Suydam <terren.suy...@gmail.com> wrote: On behalf of the people who haven't actually seen the film, could people please put "Spoiler Alert" in the email before you give away crucial details to a movie? Many of the films mentioned in this thread I haven't seen. If I had read Chris's post before watching The Prestige I would have been pissed off. Thanks,Terren On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 12:20 AM, chris peck <chris_peck...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> It makes even more mysterious your resistance to UDA Well The Prestige is a film about obsession and the lengths people go to meet them. Its not about the UDA. It does contain a teleport machine in it and the naughty magician keeps duplicating himself and killing off one of the duplicates. At one point, when arguing about what sacrifices he has made for his art, he points out that every night he is in a state of horror because he doesn't know whether he will end up at the back of the stage or drowning in the vat. ofcourse, he is just in a state of denial because he ought to know precisely what he will experience: survival to the prestige AND drowning. Its not as if there could be any doubt about it. The set up makes both experiences certain. But its not really a flaw in script, because the audience sees it clearly. Its why its such a macabre ending. Here is man so obsessed with bettering his rival that he reduces his life to a living hell drowning himself every night. The goody magician's sacrifices are bad enough, losing a finger, losing a wife, losing a brother. But the naughty magicians sacrifices are deliberate and knowing self annihilation and its this that makes his story so horrifically tragic. Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 13:53:15 -0400 Subject: Re: Films I think people on this forum might like From: johnkcl...@gmail.com To: everything-list@googlegroups.com On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 3:55 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote: >> "The Prestige" may just be the best movie in the last 15 years. > So we agree on this. 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