You do raise some critical points, and I am not sure I ever disagreed with your reasoning. However, the lack of US 'bloody-mindedness' use a British term, may spin up war, rather than suppress it. Then we turn to unnecessary wars, to which, after dealing with Scandinavians, over the years, provides me with the importance of cultural influences effecting decision making. In my opinion, looking at the recent past, the US pursuing Bin Laden into Pakistan was far more important then overthrowing Saddam. Likely, all, are horrified on this list, with this notion. I was and am deeply suspicious of the Bush regime with this change in strategy, and saw the hand of the Saudis in this decision. Having stated that, I do not know if this is true, but merely a 'good guess on my part." Protect Musharef in Pakistan, while removing a threat to Kuwait and Saudi. I would have gone after Bin Laden, ISI, and if necessary, the Paki military-with a lot of troops, a lot more, then the Iraq debacle. Curiously, enough, Telmo, the WMD's which did exist, then didn't exist, then do now exist, are under the control, this day, of the Sunni ISIS organization, now creating a new Caliphate in Iraq and Syria. It does appear that nerve gases and anthrax powderized, are now available.
Are there work-arounds, to avoid war? Sure, many times there are. One thing that would work-around for my nation-state, are fraking shale gas, and importing Canadian oil from tar sands via pipeline. The Administration, de facto, has fought these developments, tooth and nail. This is because of Obama and his party's ideology, their belief system. This would back the US out of the danger zone. Please ask yourself, if this would serve Swedish national interests or harm them? You have the right to protect your own nation state, even against the US, so bring forth your opinion (my ethics). I wouldn't call it "partial warfare", but instead the initiation of war for its own sake. In real wars, against people your own size, like WWII, no half-measure were took. No one in their right mind desires such a war. If you do, I suspect that participating in one would quickly change your mind. -----Original Message----- From: Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com> To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Mon, Jun 30, 2014 8:53 am Subject: Re: American Intelligence On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 1:14 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List <everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: I tend to agree with your sentiments, Telmo. My idea, should you care, is that if one goes to war, half measures and quarter measures end up quite badly. If one can achieve peace, justice, and free beer, without doing violence to one's fellow primates, this is a great thing. Indeed. But it is not assured, that simply because one tries a peaceable track, that it will even work. Of course. So, if one fights, why hold back? Probably because the war was started on false pretences and there was no real threat to being with. Observe, the results of the US's partial warfare model, and decide for yourself if it has been a brimming success or not? I wouldn't call it "partial warfare", but instead the initiation of war for its own sake. In real wars, against people your own size, like WWII, no half-measure were took. No one in their right mind desires such a war. If you do, I suspect that participating in one would quickly change your mind. The nuclear war thing, I likely fret more about then any.other participant, on this mailing list. The primary reason for this is that fission, and fusion weapons, are now very old, and the missile tech to carry the bombs are only a bit younger. If I was a citizen of Europe, I would be very concerned that the deliberate diminishment of US power, would invite aggression from places where it would have seemed a laughable, fiction, only a decade ago. To wit, you folks are now on your own, with the current US leadership. It may not bother you, even a bit, but I see that this is a new geopolitical fact. Be well. I am not for the deliberate diminishment of US military power. I have nothing against it if used only as a deterrent. In a world where nuclear weapons are possible, we must have nuclear weapons. My problem (and a common sentiment in Europe) is with the USA initiating unnecessary wars against weak opponents. "Civilisation clash" style wars had their penultimate instalment with WWII. If if happens again, it will probably be for the last time, and everyone is aware of this. The geo-political conditions that you allude to are a thing of the past, that's all I'm saying. Keeping deterrent weapons in good condition and attacking failed nations for the control of cocaine fields are two very different things. Even the dubious nuclear power of North Korea is sufficient to let them get away with total insanity. I'm sure Europe is safe, given the real nuclear power of France, the UK and all the US military bases around. Cheers, Telmo. -----Original Message----- From: Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com> To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: 29-Jun-2014 18:35:58 +0000 Subject: Re: American Intelligence I support mil actions as long as its fought like total war. Think WW2. Note, that nuanced responses have done little since WW2, although the Korean War is the most solid, maybe? If its worth fighting, then its worth willing to the max. Nuanced responses became quite popular after WW2 because of the invention of atomic bombs. Any civilisation that you can clash with will offer you MAD. Witch is an apt name, because you have to be batshit crazy to desire war. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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