On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 1:32 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> yes, Guitar, I understood the sarcasm, but it was sarcasm with a good > point. > It was just me playing chickenhawk. You can read too much into it, if you like though. > It has meaning for me, not only for the topics on the mailing list, but my > own, up from liberalism thing, which I used to be. > I think Chris had something more relevant to say. That everybody uses labels out of necessity, but that it is our job to listen to the person underneath that and show the right kind of restraint and rise above our flaw. This is not "left", btw. Your presupposed distinction between all left and right is too hard and inflexible. Most of it is propaganda/media nonsense anyway. Still you keep iterating these lines of thinking hook line and sinker. > Once one knows ones goals, then the path needs no ideology, merely, a > search for the best way to that goal, > which is the ideology, you preach. > and a certain vehemence toward those who obstruct for 'faith' reasons. > the degree of how radical. > One's personal views are usually interesting, because it deals with > feeling as well as facts. > But your views are different from personal views. You apply blanket generalizations to whole cultural, political, religious, and racial groups + demand violent force. This is a militant, radical, although not yet extremist view. Your view includes hurting others, way outside the rationale of defense. And no, not everybody's personal views are interesting. Some are tediously transparent and predictable. I'd say, even of my own, most are pretty predictable, so I can see the merit of throwing the exceptional one in occasionally. But not submerge people with them. Flooding the list in your posts with the usual culturally divisive right wing sensationalist rhetoric call to arms of late; that was my target as newly appointed Chickenhawk General. Anybody can buy weapons magazines and throw on the TV, and we see the same stuff. Open a club or something, as I don't see why this stuff has to become a mainstay focus of the list. PGC > I think it should be obvious that this was a bad try towards humor, and > not an attempt to sell personal politics. PGC > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Platonist Guitar Cowboy <multiplecit...@gmail.com> > To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Mon, Jun 30, 2014 7:32 pm > Subject: Re: American Intelligence > > > > > On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 2:30 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >> Pantheists are cool, as are Lobian machines, immaterialists, materialist, >> Schrodinger wave stuff. I do have probs with Marxists-Progressives because >> of the destabilization issue. Udder den dat, let a thousand flowers bloom >> (as Marxist Mao once said). Progressives get very huffy when one publically >> disagrees with them (how dare they!) Looks like Magister Criss did too. >> It's how some people get their amygylas work. It needs a good workout >> every now and then. I am happy to provide the stimuli in this sense. But, >> yes, it does divert the awareness from the nature of consciousness-but >> that's how reality is, as we do the ivory tower waltz-life breaks in like a >> bomb going off in Falujah. >> > > I think it should be obvious that this was a bad try towards humor, and > not an attempt to sell personal politics. PGC > > >> >> >> You maggots think you can get away with ignoring the titles of your >> superiors? 50 Laps and N pushups, all of you except spud: Humans, machines, >> universal ones, Löbian ones, materialists, immaterialists, physicalists, >> Darwinists, pantheists, recursive fetishists, atheists, agnostics, >> idiotics, MSR, P-time nutheads, tronifiers, computationalists, magicians, >> quantum jerks (with AND without collapse of wave function, I don't care) >> and the rest of your foul undisciplined ontological technically genderless >> asses! >> >> This is an argument of authority! From an ignorant, hypocrite jerk that >> doesn't believe in them, no less! >> >> Don't provoke me to deter your asses any more than this. Ok? Good. >> Emulate it. Yes, emulate the goodness. Run it. You won't know whether it'll >> ever stop. That's better, see? :-) PGC >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Platonist Guitar Cowboy <multiplecit...@gmail.com> >> To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> >> Sent: Sun, Jun 29, 2014 8:33 pm >> Subject: Re: American Intelligence >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 1:14 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List < >> everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >>> I tend to agree with your sentiments, Telmo. My idea, should you care, >>> is that if one goes to war, half measures and quarter measures end up quite >>> badly. If one can achieve peace, justice, and free beer, without doing >>> violence to one's fellow primates, this is a great thing. But it is not >>> assured, that simply because one tries a peaceable track, that it will even >>> work. So, if one fights, why hold back? Observe, the results of the US's >>> partial warfare model, and decide for yourself if it has been a brimming >>> success or not? The nuclear war thing, I likely fret more about then >>> any.other participant, on this mailing list. The primary reason for this is >>> that fission, and fusion weapons, are now very old, and the missile tech to >>> carry the bombs are only a bit younger. If I was a citizen of Europe, I >>> would be very concerned that the deliberate diminishment of US power, would >>> invite aggression from places where it would have seemed a laughable, >>> fiction, only a decade ago. To wit, you folks are now on your own, with the >>> current US leadership. It may not bother you, even a bit, but I see that >>> this is a new geopolitical fact. Be well. >> >> >> Uhm... thanks for your help and strategic advise, sir. >> >> We, speaking for all european leftist pacifist tree hugging conspirators >> present, know what to do now: we'll keep relations with US at optimum >> rimming status as we have done for the last 60 odd years, and you can chill >> a bit with the right wing spam editorials on the list. That's just the >> geopolitical situation right now according to PGC HQ (first and therefore >> most prestigious HQ of the list by far!), you get our allegiance, but we >> need a bit of freedom in return. You know qpq sir, strengthen troop morale >> and such. >> >> Also we should all take your example and call Russell "Prof. Standish" >> or "Professor", from now on exclusively! Any slip up with titles and I will >> ceremonially curse your name with modest restraint in the forest with my >> scary looking but kind canine; only if nobody is watching though, otherwise >> it'll look weird which would be going too far. >> >> You maggots think you can get away with ignoring the titles of your >> superiors? 50 Laps and N pushups, all of you except spud: Humans, machines, >> universal ones, Löbian ones, materialists, immaterialists, physicalists, >> Darwinists, pantheists, recursive fetishists, atheists, agnostics, >> idiotics, MSR, P-time nutheads, tronifiers, computationalists, magicians, >> quantum jerks (with AND without collapse of wave function, I don't care) >> and the rest of your foul undisciplined ontological technically genderless >> asses! >> >> This is an argument of authority! From an ignorant, hypocrite jerk that >> doesn't believe in them, no less! >> >> Don't provoke me to deter your asses any more than this. Ok? Good. >> Emulate it. Yes, emulate the goodness. Run it. You won't know whether it'll >> ever stop. That's better, see? :-) PGC >> >> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com> >>> To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> >>> Sent: 29-Jun-2014 18:35:58 +0000 >>> Subject: Re: American Intelligence >>> >>> I support mil actions as long as its fought like total war. Think >>> WW2. Note, that nuanced responses have done little since WW2, although the >>> Korean War is the most solid, maybe? If its worth fighting, then its worth >>> willing to the max. >>> >>> >>> Nuanced responses became quite popular after WW2 because of the >>> invention of atomic bombs. Any civilisation that you can clash with will >>> offer you MAD. 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