On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 7:18 PM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On 28 Aug 2014, at 13:33, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 11:11 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Legitimacy of proof and evidence (e.g. for a set of cool algorithms >> concerning AI, more computing power, big data etc), is an empty question to >> ask, outside a specified theory. It's like some alien questioning whether >> the rules of soccer on earth are "valid in absolute sense". >> >> Are we after freedom from contradictions? Completeness? Utility function, >> what are the references, where is the ultimate list? >> >> ISTM Gödel's work has more to say about AI and monkey rock throwing >> theologies than we might be inclined to assume. >> > > Agreed. > > > Me too. And the lesson is that we are mainly in front of the unknown. Then > it is like skying. We can see terrible obstacles (to happiness) there, but > if we don't focus to much on them, we can travel in between and make the > trip enjoyable. > Yes, or even have the right and means to say: "Skiing is too damned cold + everybody here wants my money and they're not even any fun about it. Eff it. Going south." > The amoeba's DNA already codes a representation of "help yourself". > Yes, and for any sensible European machine, this means "go south, do the world a favor." > Neither the amoeba, nor us, can code "and the heaven will help", but we > can hope, and even develop some trust. > Indeed, "the south" never pays for itself but we can still learn by studying its habits in the wild. > > AI will no more doom us than our children. It is a matter of good > education, and trust in our values. Of course we better should apply them > too. > Right, as was remarked recently on this list: Crush your enemies. See them driven before you. Hear the *lamentations* of their *women* ;-) No prisoners: go seek new people/places that are saner as the bar really isn't too high in the west. Everybody I meet is a Gödel sentence to me somehow, reminding to preserve that youthful, naive attitude to strive to maintain the ability to genuinely be able to say: "Yes, why not? Fuck it." - just a little bit more. To fresh inputs and unexpected developments; even if they might kill us! Nothing/nobody stupid can touch how cool/amazing this all is, if you let it... > > > Bruno > > > > > > > >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
