On 28 Oct 2014, at 08:01, LizR wrote:

On 28 October 2014 17:14, Richard Ruquist <yann...@gmail.com> wrote:
My simple-minded view of MWI is that it is deterministic and if it is true then my consciousness is an illusion, period

Not necessarily your consciousness, you can be aware of things in a deterministic universe surely? But probably your free will, yes.

There are certainly more people who oppose determinism and free will than determinism and consciousness.

But determinism is not a threat for a very reasonable notion of free- will, which is the (self) perception of a spectrum possibilities (concerning my relation with my possible environments), together with the ability to make some choice, and yes, why not, using an algorithm if that can help, with simple rule like "if you want a limonade this evening, either look now in your fridge or prepare yourself to take the bike for searching a night-shop").

I think that the theory of free-will based on intrinsic indeterminacies does not make sense in a computationalist theory (nor in QM). I don't see how a random generator could add any free-will, nor feeling of free-will. But there is a logical self-indeterminacy which makes sense for any self-observing machine, and that is what creates in the machine's mind the spectrum of possibilities, that is (in the "toy" theory): sentences of the type <>t, and it is up to the machine to realize the possibility or not, as far the possible environment permits. Sometimes you have to hurry.

Bruno



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