On 18 Dec 2014, at 18:27, Jason Resch wrote:
I think the National Initiative ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_initiative#National_Initiative_for_Democracy_.28USA.29
) is one of the most promising of proposed changes to the system of
human governance that I have seen.
That is interesting. yet I would not use the net for direct population
votes, only for consultations. In my country we were voting
electronically, but the last time might be ... the last time, as
frauds have been detected, and most people tend to no more trusting
this sytem, despite it eliminate a lot of painful work with billets
after, and a long time before getting the result.
I am also fond of the concept of an AItocracy: using open-source
AI's to judge and automatically make void any law that it determines
to be unconstitutional. The code, being open-source, can be re-run
and verified by anybody. (but we aren't quite there yet
technologically (although perhaps if the laws and constitution were
written in Lojban it would be easier).
Hmm.... I am not sure. Perhaps. The problem is that below Lobianity,
you might allow too much or nothing, and above, you might have machine
developing their own special interests, and be not much better than
human.
Open source is a good idea, but few can read the source, especially
for a software which is very complex, as we might expect here.
Computers and laws will be a fertile association, but we should expect
the best and the worst. Human should be the last judge in the human
affair.
Bruno
Jason
On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 7:45 AM, Alberto G. Corona <agocor...@gmail.com
> wrote:
Probably the only natural government, the one that does not need an
ideological legitimation, is the feudal system. And all the rest
tend to reproduce it in a bastardized way.
That means that wathever the formal gobernment, the human nature
tend towards a feudal system of loyalities, towards persons and
families rather than a loyality to depersonalized institutions.
These loyalities can help or cans subvert the formal ldemocratic
regime.
That is why the democratic regimes need a form of cult to the
founders of the democracy, or else, a monarchy that embodies the
loyalities and canalize that loyality from the king to the
democratic regime sanctioned by him. For the same reason, the
republican democracies need the cult to some withened political
figures that symbolize their values.
That may or may not work. Some of these loyalities can destroy the
formal regime or, more frequently can corrupt or undermine it, so
that the formal system hides the real one, which makes use of the
formal system for their own purposes. Since this real regime is
hidden, it adopt a form of corrupt system, wheren the lawyers,
police, media etc don´t execute what the formal law tells but what
is adequeate for the hidden loyality system.
Normally this last one is the real regime that operates in every so
called "democracy"
2014-12-18 11:37 GMT+01:00 Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com>:
On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 11:25 AM, LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> wrote:
"Democracy is the worst system of government ever invented - apart
from all the others."
Winston Churchill
So why didn't he revolt against his own country's unelected
sovereigns? The fellow was full of contradictions:
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation
with the average voter."
Winston Churchill
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