On 2/1/2015 2:57 PM, John Clark wrote:


On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 2:44 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote:

    > And then there's consciousness, which everybody (presumably) knows what 
it is, but
    nobody knows how to test for


Not true, EVERYBODY know how to test for consciousness, intelligence behavior is the test, and and without exception every person on this list has used that test at least once every single day of their lives.

No that's not how they test for consciousness; it's how they test for whether a human being is conscious. If they are dealing with something that looks like a toaster but plays an good game of chess or bridge or jeopardy they don't assume intelligence=consciousness.

Brent

The entire thing is completely uncontroversial UNTIL you try to apply it to a computer, and then all of a sudden people insist on changing the rules of the game because they don't like who's winning.

  John K Clark


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