2015-03-26 13:02 GMT+01:00 Bruce Kellett <bhkell...@optusnet.com.au>:
> Quentin Anciaux wrote: > >> 2015-03-26 12:13 GMT+01:00 Bruce Kellett <bhkell...@optusnet.com.au >> Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> 2015-03-26 8:05 GMT+01:00 Bruce Kellett >> >> This comes back to my original question: since all possible >> programs >> are run by the dovetailer, how do we ensure that conscious >> beings >> see an ordered and predictable world. Only a set of measure >> zero >> among all possible programs would give that result. >> >> Yes, it seems to me, we should see white noise, but maybe a >> selection attribute must be in play... like an anthropic argument. >> >> >> Anthropic arguments are not going to work with computationalism >> because there is no basis on which you can assume underlying >> deterministic physical laws. >> >> >> It seems to me it works relatively.... consciousness like ours can only >> experiment worls ordered like ours... even if almost all dreams/worlds >> produced by mathematics are not like that and do not allow of consciousness >> like ours, as you can only experience worlds like ours, it's no magic that >> you do... like with Quantum Immortality, you cannot experience being dead, >> so no wonder you find yourself alive, even if in almost all worlds you're >> dead (or not existing at all). >> > > But we do not need the degree of order that we observe. We could survive > perfectly well with a reasonable number of miracles -- laws that don't > quite work always. And there are vastly more possible worlds of that sort > than those that are strictly deterministic. The measure problem gets you > every time. Well we don't know that we could survive in such world...but even, if MWI is correct, most instances of me goes everytime in such worlds... and some of us don't, why wonder that it's a miracle when it's a given there will always be a me in a non magic world ? I wonder why I'm not in a magic world... because I'm not. Quentin > > > Bruce > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. (Roy Batty/Rutger Hauer) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
