Really I see no difference between Islam and political religions like Marxism, since Islam is a political religion created by a political leader.
I could say that the motopoesis of Marx was similar than the one of Mohamed. Marx conposed an utophia and a strategy of violent conquest of the world with the materials of their time. David Ricardo economy, Hegelian phylosophy, social darwinism. None of these were intended for that purpose. He called his mithopoetic creation a "science", since science was the most reputated source of authority of his time. Mohammed did exactly the same with the materials of their age. 2015-04-23 15:59 GMT+02:00 spudboy100 via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com>: > Please do not ignore the mass murders of Atheist Stalin, Atheist Mao, and > Atheist Pol Pot. Irrationality arrive in at least two flavors, and only one > is religious. Mao's' Great Leap Forward is the largest killing in human > history. Having said this, it appears that the Islamists are trying to beat > this enviable record. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dennis Ochei <do.infinit...@gmail.com> > To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Wed, Apr 22, 2015 6:42 pm > Subject: God > > Yes, ignorance and fanaticism under any banner, including that of science > and reason, will leave a trail of bodies in their wake. But unless you have > an alternative to using reason and science to understand the world around > and within us (divine revelation?) i don't see your point. > > Religion gives people bad reasons to be good, when good reasons abound. > > Also, im not a nominalist. > > > These people like you are the ones that the world must fear > > Yes! Tremble! Mwhahahahaha! > > haha, there is nothing fear from me. My hands are tied, since I know > harming others is equivalent to harming myself > > On Wednesday, April 22, 2015, Alberto G. Corona < agocor...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Poor nominalists... >> >> Ever what you call "science" and "reason" has claimed prevalence over >> religion has been to produce massacres, since 1789 and even before. the >> religion of the ones that wave the flags of "science" and "reason", that >> is, thae ones that claim knowledge without conscience that what they have >> is some kind of faith based on a particular metaphysics. are the most >> dangerous ones. >> >> These people like you are the ones that the world must fear >> >> 2015-04-22 22:50 GMT+02:00 Dennis Ochei <do.infinit...@gmail.com>: >> >>> I think you interpretted my words in a different way than I intended. My >>> point was merely that theists use motte and bailey tactics, modifying their >>> definition of God as soon as you start tightening the screws. If you cut >>> off one head the theist will confabulate a new one for their religious >>> belief. People say science cannot kill religion. But I say that science has >>> killed religion countless times, and continues to do so. But religion rises >>> again from its ashes, generally more benign than before. >>> >>> >>> Once we have dispelled illusions, the religion that emerges then will >>> be beautiful. But until that time most instances of religion are things >>> that reason and empiricism must put down to perfect. >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, April 22, 2015, John Mikes < jami...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Dennis: >>>> >>>> *"God always means something just shy of disproven and always fills >>>> the gaps of understanding ..."* >>>> >>>> I don't need to "disprove" something that has not been "proven" - or >>>> at least described as possible. BTW: nothing can be 'proven' except for >>>> ignorance. >>>> To keep pace with the unfathomable Everything (not the restricted >>>> physical topic-content of this list) the flexibility of the human >>>> (ignorant) mind requires a 'creator', a 'sustainer' a "BOSS" like a king >>>> for a country. That is called 'GOD'. >>>> You may believe (in) it. Know you cannot. So there is no way to >>>> disprove. >>>> Sometimes 'God' fills the gaps of misunderstanding (ignorance) as >>>> well. >>>> >>>> I don't believe that going back to more primitive times (less facts >>>> included into our worldview) even the smartest(?) minds could LEAD our >>>> ignorance to better wisdom. Aristotle's 'total' (in my pun: the "Aris - >>>> Total") was MORE than the sum of HIS counted ingredients, which included >>>> only the listable material parts. Then we have learned about functions, >>>> attributes, connections, variants, variations etc. and added lots of >>>> includable 'parts' to the total. >>>> Plato did not even pretend to visualize the 'world': he imagined a >>>> SHADOW of it on the wall as our percept of reality(?), situated BEHIND us >>>> (=invisibly). >>>> >>>> I esteem Bruno's ideas - am no mathematician - can rarely follow >>>> them, yet I never got a reply to my question about "what are the NUMBERS" >>>> from him. >>>> I consider 'computation' as (Lat) com (cum) - putare (thinking), >>>> mind's work, to add 2 and 2 together, definitely not restricted to the >>>> numberical terms. It may be also to add an animal, or plant to an >>>> environment. Real, or fake. >>>> >>>> Since the early 90s I participated on more than a dozen discussion >>>> lists, this one has exciting and lesser exciting posts and posters. >>>> >>>> Best regards >>>> John Mikes >>>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 8:29 PM, Dennis Ochei <do.infinit...@gmail.com >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'm not gonna lie, i find this exchange rather entertaining. I dont >>>>> know what side I'd pick, but I will say I've never been 100% clear on what >>>>> Bruno meant by Aristotelian or Platonist before now. What does Bruno do >>>>> with personal pronouns? I have to agree that at least some of Bruno's >>>>> written correspondence is hard to follow, but esotericism is par for the >>>>> course in philosophy anyway... >>>>> >>>>> God always means something just shy of disproven and always fills the >>>>> gaps of understanding >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, April 21, 2015, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 , LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> > In order to participate in a forum like this you need to accept >>>>>>> that certain shorthands are commonly used. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> None of Bruno's shorthands or acronyms are commonly used, they are >>>>>> used on this list and nowhere else. And even here they are not used with >>>>>> any rational consistency. And then Bruno uses common words in very >>>>>> uncommon >>>>>> ways; I still don't know what the word "God" means in Brunospeak. And >>>>>> don't >>>>>> get me started on personal pronouns! >>>>>> >>>>>> > For example "Aristotelian" just means anyone who assumes primary >>>>>>> materialism >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> OK so now I know that in Bruno's Humpty-Dumpty dictionary >>>>>> a materialist is someone who doesn't even pretend to know >>>>>> if mathematics begat physics or physics begat mathematics. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> > Bruno shouldn't need to have to constantly explain what he means >>>>>>> by these terms. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> No, he needs to do exactly that. Bruno insists on using the >>>>>> Humpty-Dumpty >>>>>> dictionary and he has the only copy, so he needs to constantly explain >>>>>> what >>>>>> the hell he means; either that or throw away the Humpty-Dumpty >>>>>> dictionary. >>>>>> >>>>>> John K Clark >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in >>>>>> the Google Groups "Everything List" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/everything-list/Lp5_VIb6ddY/unsubscribe. >>>>>> >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>>>>> everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com >>>>>> . >>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Sent from Gmail Mobile >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >>>>> >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >>>> Google Groups "Everything List" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/everything-list/Lp5_VIb6ddY/unsubscribe. >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>>> everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sent from Gmail Mobile >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Alberto. >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >> Google Groups "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/everything-list/Lp5_VIb6ddY/unsubscribe. >> >> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >> everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > > -- > Sent from Gmail Mobile > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Alberto. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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