Thanks, Colin.

I just wonder why "scientific" observer? Your parenthetic "Observer"  (
i.e. consciousness, IMO a respondent to relations) has nothing to do with
(our) 'science' based on today's levels of knwoledge.
I appreciate your excempting 'ourselves' (the human observer) from a TOE.

Cheers
John

On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 8:40 PM, colin hales <col.ha...@gmail.com> wrote:

> [image: 😊]
> Perhaps better....
>
> All posited (so far) scientific TOE are actually wrongly named. They would
> be correctly named:
>
> "Theories predicting how the universe appears to an assumed scientific
> observer inside it"
>
> Or maybe
>
> "Theories of everything except the scientific observer"
>
> By Scientific observer I mean consciousness... What scientific observation
> uses/is.
>
> From here you might ask yourself what a scientist would be doing if they
> _were_ explaining the scientific observer (consciousness). For whatever
> that is, it's not a member of the set of  the kind of science outcomes in
> which these so-called TOE sit, smugly claiming everything while actually
> failing without realizing.
>
> Cheers
> Colin
> ------------------------------
> From: Bruce Kellett <bhkell...@optusnet.com.au>
> Sent: ‎14/‎05/‎2015 9:15 AM
> To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Theories that explain everything explain nothing
>
> As an aside to recent discussions, it is interesting to point out that
> physics has some of the problems associated with over-confidence in
> ideas coming from pure intuition too.
>
> http://aeon.co/magazine/science/has-cosmology-run-into-a-creative-crisis
>
> This article by Ross Anderson in Aeon Magazine surveys some of the
> recent history of press announcements by leading cosmologists. Believing
> too strongly in your own pet theory can be a dangerous pastime.
>
> Bruce
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