On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 3:33 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
>> >> >> If he's about to enter the machine but hasn't yet done so then you're >> simulating the Helsinki man. The simulation shows that IF the Helsinki man >> is rational (and he might not be especially on matters like this, in fact >> most people aren't as this list proves) > > > > > Lies. Only you have a problem with this. > And everybody known science is a popularity contest and truth is whatever gets the most votes. >> >> then the Helsinki man expects that very soon TWO people will remember >> being the Helsinki man > > > > > In the third person description. But that is not the question asked. > Perhaps not but John Clark doesn't know because nobody, absolutely nobody has clearly articulated exactly what the question is, in fact they can't even clearly say approximately what the question is; nor can they explain why they are surprised that you can't make a prediction, or do anything else for that matter, IF YOU DON'T EXIST. but neither of them will be in Helsinki. > > > > > Both of them will be the Helsinki person, by the definition of personal > identity we have agree on. > Ok I agree. So if each of them is the Helsinki person, and if each sees a different city, and if 1+1 is still equal to 2 ,then you tell me, how many cities did the Helsinki person end up seeing? It sure seems like two to me. I know what you're going to say, in the peepee but not the poopoo. > > > And both will confirm that they have obtained one bit of information. > What bit of information was that? I can't think of any information they have obtained that everybody else didn't already have long before the duplication. What else do you want to know, what else is there to predict? > > > > Where you will find yourself after pushing on the button. > As usual Bruno Marchal is hiding behind pronouns to cover up fuzzy thinking. If John Clark knew what "yourself" meant in a question about the future and a man about to enter a yourself duplicating machine then John Clark could provide an answer. > If you are OK with P(coffee) > [...] > To hell with your damn coffee! > > > you cannot write in your diary > [...] > To hell with your damn diary! John K Clark > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
