> On 21 Apr 2018, at 17:59, Brent Meeker <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
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> On 4/21/2018 1:59 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
>>> I like to define God, sometimes, by what you still believe in when you 
>>> understand that the physical reality is a persistent illusion.
> 
> A sufficiently persistent and shared illusion is about as good a reality as 
> you can ask for.

To do physics, or just to live, that is enough of course. Being a 
phenomenological reality does not make it unreal, or the dentist would not use 
anaesthetics, and the computationalist would not send mails, nor even leave his 
bed.

But in (serious) metaphysics we want explain the phenomenologies from the 
assumed ontology.

In greek theology, god exists by definition, and the questions are: is god a 
material reality or is it something else. Should we try to explain Mind from 
Matter? From Matter alone? from matter + something else? or should we tray to 
explain Matter appearance from a theory of Mind? From mathematics?

What I did was to provide a test for this, and the result obtained is twofold:

1) if Indexical Mechanism is correct then the theory of both mind and matter is 
very elementary arithmetic, or anything Turing-equivalent to very elementary 
arithmetic. Physics has to be reduced to number psychology/theology.

2) The logic of the observable extracted from very elementary arithmetic in the 
way prescribed by “1)” is a quantum logic (actually more than one), and no 
empirical discrepancies have been found yet. 

Bruno



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