On 19 April 2018 at 06:22, Brent Meeker <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: > > > On 4/18/2018 8:51 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> On 18 April 2018 at 23:57, Brent Meeker <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> theology. It just means “theory of everything’” for the greeks, >>> >>> >>> No it doesn't. First, "theory" has a different origin from "theos"=god. >>> Second, for the Greeks "theology" meant discourse concerning the gods. >>> From >>> Wikipedia: >>> >>> Greek theologia (θεολογία) was used with the meaning "discourse on god" >>> in >>> the fourth century BC by Plato in The Republic, Book ii, Ch. 18.[14] >>> Aristotle divided theoretical philosophy into mathematike, physike and >>> theologike, with the last corresponding roughly to metaphysics, which, >>> for >>> Aristotle, included discourse on the nature of the divine >> >> "with the last corresponding roughly to metaphysics"... > > > Right. For Aristotle metaphysics was all about the gods, i.e. theology.
Ok, but it is good to keep in mind that pagan gods were very different cultural constructs than the christian god. I believe the christian tradition is much more interested in creating a "theory of everything" through religion than the pagans were. Christianism was fashioned into a cultural operating system for large-scale control. Max Weber made a better job of describing this than I ever could, for those who are interested. I think pagan gods were much more akin to cartoon characters, signifying norms, traditions, ideas, political factions and so on. Sure, they had their creation myths, but I am not sure they were taken seriously in the way that a modern person would assume. A good indication of this is the decrease in intellectual sophistication that came with the spread of christianity between the roman empire and the renaissance. Progress is neither monotonic nor linear, unlike what people like John Clark seem to believe... > But Bruno wants it to mean something it hasn't meant in 2500yrs. He is pretty upfront about that. > If he's > just doing metaphysics he should call it metaphysics. But he likes to take > subtle pokes at atheists. We are all atheists here in the sense of "not believing in silly stories", but it is disingenuous to pretend that this is all modern atheism is. I hesitate to debate this further, because frankly I have no patience for all the canned answers that are certain to ensue. > Notice how he criticizes "faith" in materialism, > but belief that every integer has a successor is just common sense...even > though it entials and infinity of beliefs. I agree with you that Bruno puts too much faith in numbers, and I agree with Bruno that atheists put too much faith in matter. More importantly, Bruno has interesting and original things to say, unlike his bullies here, who are only capable of parroting what other people with original things to say said. To be clear, I do not think you are one of the bullies. Telmo. > > Brent > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
