On 4/30/2018 1:19 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 27 Apr 2018, at 20:27, Brent Meeker <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
On 4/27/2018 3:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Also false: I use faith to distinguish the truth we suspect and hope for, and
the truth we verify or prove in some theory. Of course, in “serious
metaphysics”, the term are made more precise. You need already faith to believe
the sun will rise tomorrow, but in the everyday life we just forget this, and
wisely so. Yet in metaphysics we have to be more careful and precise.
You forget the faith that distinguishes the falsehoods we hope for from the
truths we'd rather not believe but which the evidence points to.
Where?
You might elaborate. I do not understand.
The common example is belief in life-after-death, something believed on
faith, as all the evidence is against it, but all the hope is for it.
It was a common idea which Julian Jaynes provides one possible
explanation. Plato built a whole morality tale around it.
If someone believe anything because it is hope or wishful thinking, that is
blind faith, and has few things to do with faith from evidence, usually based
on adductive induction, which is reasonable by default, but prove nothing. As
long as it works, it is the best option, but we have to remember that is a
theory, a question.
It is the separation of theology from science which makes some people believing
that in science we can prove things about reality, but that is bad metaphysics.
We can’t. We cannot even prove that there is a reality, that is what the greeks
understood in the metaphysical/theological domain. And that is what the
Churches of all kinds want us to forget.
I agree with that. But you seem to imply that there is a separate
discipline "theology" which can prove there is a reality and tell us
about it. Yet theologians have been nothing but muddled armchair
philosophers supporting the political power of organized religions.
Brent
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