On 7/27/2018 11:21 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
Le ven. 27 juil. 2018 à 20:18, Brent Meeker <meeke...@verizon.net
<mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> a écrit :
On 7/26/2018 11:31 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
Le ven. 27 juil. 2018 à 00:10, <agrayson2...@gmail.com
<mailto:agrayson2...@gmail.com>> a écrit :
On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 9:59:49 PM UTC, stathisp wrote:
On Fri, 27 Jul 2018 at 2:08 am, <agrays...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 11:30:11 AM UTC,
agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 11:24:42 AM UTC,
Quentin Anciaux wrote:
I still don't get it why some people prefer
insulting other people and their ideas
instead of discussing or just stay with their
own thoughts and just say they disagree...
What do you gain by saying they are insane,
stupid or whatever?
It just looks to me childish. So stop doing
this, stop writing in 70pt size red fonts...
It's a disfavor to your arguments.
Quentin
In fact, I DO think it's a mental illness. AG
It's not just wrong, but a gross dysfunction of
judgment. Joe the Plumber goes into a lab or his
closet, shoots a single electron at a slit, and by so
doing creates uncountable universes, all with copies
of himself, replete with his memories. Sure. AG
You may as well protest on the same basis that the
universe can’t be so wastefully large.
I don't see how that follows. Unfortunately, one cannot PROVE
that the many worlds allegedly implied by the MWI
interpretation don't exist, which is why I insist the True
Believers are judgment impaired. Do you really believe that
trivial actions by mere humans, accidents of evolution, can
create entire universes? AG.
No, because that's not what happens, at every interactions,
universes split/differentiate... Humans or not.
I think that's a misleading way to look at it. First, the vector
in Hilbert space representing the state of the universe just
rotates around. It never "splits". What we refer to as "splitting"
is the projection onto a plane in the Hilbert space that
corresponds to a certain "classical" world. Second, this
"classical" world plane is not sharply defined. Almost all
interactions do not make any difference to it, i.e. they only make
Planck sized changes to the action and correspondingly tiny tilts
to the projective plane. The myriad atomic interactions in your
body don't make any classical difference.
Yet if QM is the theory of reality, there is no classical world that
exists ontologicaly... So makes no difference to who, what?
That the ontology of the world is quantum is a theory. The theory is
derived from and supported by evidence which is stuff experienced by you
and me. Our experience of the world is "classical" (notice I used scare
quotes, as I did above). Bohr was right when he observed that science
and knowledge are only possible in a "classical" world; a world in which
records exist and observers can agree on them and we do not observe
macroscopic superpositions.
Brent
"Epistemology precedes ontology."
--- terry savage
Only the few that cause you to take action at the classical level.
Brent
Humans have nothing to do in the process.
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