On 7/27/2018 12:19 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 6:18:49 PM UTC, Brent wrote:
On 7/26/2018 11:31 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
Le ven. 27 juil. 2018 à 00:10, <agrays...@gmail.com
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On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 9:59:49 PM UTC, stathisp wrote:
On Fri, 27 Jul 2018 at 2:08 am, <agrays...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 11:30:11 AM UTC,
agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 11:24:42 AM UTC,
Quentin Anciaux wrote:
I still don't get it why some people prefer
insulting other people and their ideas
instead of discussing or just stay with their
own thoughts and just say they disagree...
What do you gain by saying they are insane,
stupid or whatever?
It just looks to me childish. So stop doing
this, stop writing in 70pt size red fonts...
It's a disfavor to your arguments.
Quentin
In fact, I DO think it's a mental illness. AG
It's not just wrong, but a gross dysfunction of
judgment. Joe the Plumber goes into a lab or his
closet, shoots a single electron at a slit, and by so
doing creates uncountable universes, all with copies
of himself, replete with his memories. Sure. AG
You may as well protest on the same basis that the
universe can’t be so wastefully large.
I don't see how that follows. Unfortunately, one cannot PROVE
that the many worlds allegedly implied by the MWI
interpretation don't exist, which is why I insist the True
Believers are judgment impaired. Do you really believe that
trivial actions by mere humans, accidents of evolution, can
create entire universes? AG.
No, because that's not what happens, at every interactions,
universes split/differentiate... Humans or not.
I think that's a misleading way to look at it. First, the vector
in Hilbert space representing the state of the universe just
rotates around. It never "splits". What we refer to as
"splitting" is the projection onto a plane in the Hilbert space
that corresponds to a certain "classical" world.
*Isn't the projection another word the collapse? Are classical worlds
"created" by the collapse of the wf? AG*
No, I don't mean changing the state vector in Hilbert space by a
projection operator. I mean that if you consider the projection onto
the hyper-plane corresponding to a particular measurement value, the
existence of that hyperplane is an idealization and that in reality
there are a virtually infinite number of such hyperplanes which are
different only at the atomic level and are indiscernible from our
viewpoint. So it's misleading to think of "worlds", which are classical
constructs, splitting because of these quantum events. A classical
world should be thought of as a fuzzy approximation, a set of very
similar hyper-planes on which the Hilbert vector of the multiverse could
be projected. The "World" only splits when there is a classical difference.
Brent
Second, this "classical" world plane is not sharply defined.
Almost all interactions do not make any difference to it, i.e.
they only make Planck sized changes to the action and
correspondingly tiny tilts to the projective plane. The myriad
atomic interactions in your body don't make any classical
difference. Only the few that cause you to take action at the
classical level.
Brent
Humans have nothing to do in the process.
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