On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 7:39:40 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 11:49:04 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 15 Aug 2018, at 12:36, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 10:22:40 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 9:58:57 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> > On 14 Aug 2018, at 22:12, Brent Meeker <meek...@verizon.net> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On 8/14/2018 3:54 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>>> >> How do you explain interference fringes in the two slits? How do you >>>> explain the different behaviour of u+d and a mixture of u and d. >>>> >> >>>> >> If the wave is not real, how doe it interfere even when we are not >>>> there? >>>> > >>>> > How does it interfere with itself unless it goes through both slits >>>> in the same world...thus being non-local. >>>> >>>> The wave is a trans-world notion. You should better see it as a wave of >>>> histories/worlds, than a wave in one world. I don’t think “one world” is >>>> well defined enough to make sense in both Everett and Mechanism. >>>> >>> >>> *If you start with the error tGhat all possible results of a measurement >>> must be realized, you can't avoid many worlds. Then, if you fall in love >>> with the implications of this error, you are firmly in woo-woo land with >>> the prime directive of bringing as many as possible into this illusion / >>> delusion. This is where we're at IMO. AG * >>> >> >> *Truthfully, I don't know why, when you do a slit experiment one particle >> at a time, the result is quantum interference. It might be because >> particles move as waves and each particle goes through both slits. In any >> event, I don't see the MWI is a solution to this problem. It just takes us >> down a deeper rabbit hole. AG* >> >> >> Everything is in the formalism, as well exemplified by the two slits. If >> you miss this, then consider the quantum algorithm by Shor. There, a >> “particle” is not just going through two slits, but participate in >> parallel, yet different computations, and we get an indirect evidence by >> the information we can extract from a quantum Fourier transform on all >> results obtained in the parallel branches. >> >> If you can explain all this without FTL in one unique physical reality, >> then write a paper and publish, you will be famous. >> > > *In the singlet non locality scenario, it does appear as if information > moves FTL, from one subsystem to another. However, when you consider that > what is instantaneously changing is the wf, which exists in the complex > plane, it is arguable that any kind of velocity is involved. AG * >
*Yes, maybe I should be famous. I think your confusion involves the meaning of FTL, or indeed any velocity when discussing a change in a wf in response to a measurement. As previously stated, the wf exists in the complex plane, so it's a fallacy to consider the wf changing at any velocity when it doesn't exist in the real plane (or real volume if using 3 dimensional space). AG* > > >> Bruno >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >>> Bruno >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>> > Brent >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>> send an email to everything-li...@googlegroups.com. >>>> > To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.com. >>>> > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>>> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to everything-li...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
