1) Rover doesn't know anything, since knowing is a property of consciousness. Rover doesn't have a model of the world, since having a model of the world means being aware of a world, and awareness is a property of consciousness. What does "Rover is represented by itself" even mean ? I think what you're doing now is to talk about properties that you, as a consciousness, have them, and carelessly starting to attribute those properties to lifeless objects. I would suggest a more rigorous thinking process. Don't haste in applying concepts where they don't belong.
2) Is it you that don't understand the meaning of self-reference, that's why you fail to understand its usage. Self-reference is not "a ghost in the machine", but is an eternal logical structure that is the source of all existence. By employing its eternal property of looking-back-at-itself, self-reference finds objects in itself and gives birth to all the consciousnesses in the world. On Wednesday, 17 April 2019 06:03:34 UTC+3, Brent wrote: > > > 1) > > I take your point. But I think the difference is only one of degree. In > my example the Rover knows where it is, lat and long and topology. That > entails having a model of the world, admittedly simple, in which the Rover > is represented by itself. > > 2) > > I would also say that I think far too much importance is attached to > self-reference. It's just a part of intelligence to run "simulations" in > trying to foresee the consequences of potential actions. The simulation > must generally include the actor at some level. It's not some mysterious > property raising up a ghost in the machine. > > Brent > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
