> On 1 May 2019, at 20:13, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > <everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > > On 5/1/2019 10:19 AM, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List wrote: >> No, this is the mistake that you make. You confuse artificial entities with >> natural entities. In an artificial entities the functional parts that they >> contain are 100% knowable by us, because it is us who put them there in the >> first place. > > No. We assemble them. But they are not 100% knowable, c.f. Holevo's theorem.
Right. That is an important point, both in contemporary physics, and in the physics of the numbers. Bruno > >> On the other hand, in a natural entity, the functional parts are not >> completely known to us. You can look at the brain and see neurons, but you >> cannot conclude from this that neurons are all there are there. > > No. But you can experiment and determine what happens when one is removed or > stimulated. > >> There can be an infinite amount of invisible entities, dark matter, dark >> energy, who knows what, that contributes to what the brain is and does. >> Therefore, you cannot look at the brain as a machine. > > I can as an hypothesis. And I can make intelligent machines . > >> >> This of course, besides the fact that the brain does not exist, being just a >> quale in consciousness. > > You keep saying that as though it has some significance. It's fine that you > attempt and idealist TOE and take quale as fundamental. But it is silly to > then say a brain is just quale. In you theory everything is just quale. But > you need to explain why brain quale are different from computer quale and > muscle quale. Why having thumping quale interact (how?) with brain quale > results in no quale? > > Brent > >> >> You can even have a look at my SAND presentation if you want to hear once >> more how the brain does not exist: >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jMAy6ft-ZQ >> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jMAy6ft-ZQ> >> >> On Wednesday, 1 May 2019 19:42:48 UTC+3, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> >> Brent >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list >> <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com > <mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
