> On 13 May 2019, at 20:24, Philip Thrift <cloudver...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Monday, May 13, 2019 at 12:25:38 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 10 May 2019, at 09:12, Philip Thrift <cloud...@gmail.com <javascript:>> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> When someone says "consciousness is not a material thing" I think of Wile E. >> Coyote. >> >> Consciousnesses need something (matter) to hang on to. Consciousnesses just >> don't go floating around willy-nilly. The Coyote finds that out when he >> finds out he is hanging on to nothing, and looks down. > > > That is nice Aristotelian poetry. But you just repeat you ontological > commitment in a material world, where no physicist has a consistent theory of > it, nor even have tried to test its existence. What the Aspect experience has > only shown, is that IF there is a physicaly reality then it can’t be a > boolean reality (which would have already annoyed Aristotle). > > Then with Mechanism, “Matter” invocation needs to add some magic incompatible > with YD+CT. > It is like invoking a God to impeach testing simpler theories which do not > commit a so strong ontological commitment. > > Bruno > > > I was shooting for Epicurean poetry (or Lucretian; Lucretius's De rerum > natura [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_rerum_natura > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_rerum_natura> ] was a poem about the > philosophy of Epicurus). > > Aristotle's philosophy is confused nonsense, especially when compared to > Epicurus’s.
This is weird. I appreciate Aristotle, because it is rather clear, and enough precise to be refuted, with in the natural science and the theology. I tend to consider him as the inventor of the notion of primitive matter, that is the first which postulate the existence of a physical universe (in metaphysics), but that is also the only place where he get confused (his metaphysics). As a materialist (a “believer in matter”) it is astonishing you don’t appreciate Aristotle. He is really the one who got the idea that “God” is a physical universe, even if he add the chiquenaude divine to create the first move. Bruno > > @philipthrift > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/b0f3ab8f-d71f-4beb-bdad-a4fdb2dd2e13%40googlegroups.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/b0f3ab8f-d71f-4beb-bdad-a4fdb2dd2e13%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/1F49FAEA-13E7-4791-A38B-8A0DB4F02AB9%40ulb.ac.be.
