> On 17 Jun 2019, at 22:59, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 12:33 PM Bruno Marchal <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > >> I could understand what you mean by "physical reality" if you could just > >> answer the following question. If there was a physical reality how would > >> things be different from if there was not a physical reality? > > >You would need to explain what that physical reality is > > Me? I'm the one that needs to explains what "physical reality" means??!! I > don't know what it means Bruno, it's your term not mine, that's why I wanted > you to answer the above question so I could get some idea what you mean by > it.
You are the one invoking it to say that some computations are real, and other are not. If we both agree that such a notion does not make sense, then stop invoking it. > > > > if we assume Mechanism, then such a physical reality has no sense. > > > Perhaps so I don't know because I don't know what “Mechanism" > > > So let us stop here. > > Not a bad idea. > > Tell me what you don’t understand in the Mechanist hypothesis. > > You've said "Mechanism is the assumption that we can survive a digital brain > transplant operation" and that at least is clear and by that definition I > certainly believe in mechanism , Yes, that is Mechanism. I add the Church-Turing thesis only to make clear that I use the classical notion of computation given by Church & Co. > although for reasons explained in my previous post no assumptions were > involved. You talk like if you new the truth. Of course Mechanism *is* an assumption. I have shown that it is even like Gödel’s sentences: it becomes false when asserted being true. > But I still don't know if I believe in something you call "physicalism" > because you can't explain how it would make any difference if it were true of > not. What are you missing in may explanation? > > > It isa bit frightening given that you are the only Mechanist practionners > (alive) on this list. > > I am? I didn't know that. Did you not pay for cryogenic of your head after death? That is like saying “yes” to the doctor, indeed a future unknown doctor. All of transhumanism is based on the Mechanist hypothesis or act of faith/hope. > But why is that frightening? With mechanism, given your brain to a digitalist surgeon, without precaution, is like sending all your password on the net. If ever mechanism is practised some day, most people will pay a lot to assure some quantum security so that they don’t take the risk to be copied and to wake up in the dungeon of some sadistic individuals … Bruno > > John K Clark > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv3Wpc1p4KFxZ5MwosKNK0g4mgEAm_reox7kfY84j8ZTNw%40mail.gmail.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv3Wpc1p4KFxZ5MwosKNK0g4mgEAm_reox7kfY84j8ZTNw%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/32A6BF99-2057-4DF1-9538-3F655CBC04EA%40ulb.ac.be.
