On 11/7/2019 6:39 PM, Alan Grayson wrote:


On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 6:25:37 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote:



    On 11/7/2019 5:01 PM, Alan Grayson wrote:

        There is no paradox.  It's just some hang up you have that a
        cat can't be dead and alive at the same time.  It's as though
        your physics was stuck in the time of Aristotle and words
        were magic so that "Alive implies not-dead." was a law of
        physics instead of an axiom of logic.

        In fact a moments thought will tell you that quite aside from
        quantum mechanics there would be no way to identify the
        moment of death of the cat to less than a several seconds. 
        It would be simply meaningless to say the cat was alive at
        0913:20 and dead at 0913:21.

        Brent


    You can imagine a different experiment, without cats, with the
    same paradoxical result. The point of Schroedinger's thought
    experiment was to demonstate tHE title of this thread; that
    there's something wrong with the prevailing interpretation of
    superposition. In your view I am hung up with Aristotle? In my
    view, you're seduced by some quantum nonsense. AG

    Prevailing when?  1927?  There is no problem in the prevailing
    2019 interpretation, except in your mind because you assume that a
    cat cannot be in a superposition of alive/dead even for a fraction
    of a nano-second...because...WHY?   The radioactive atom can be in
    a superposition of decayed and not-decayed for a nanosecond.  Why
    doesn't that violate your Aristotelean logic?

    Brent


What's wrong with the interpretation that the radioactive atom is either decayed OR undecayed with probabilities calculated by Born's Rule? AG

Being in the quasi-classical state of either decayed or undecayed assumes the superposition of decayed and undecayed has decohered by interaction with the environment.  The interactions that produce decoherence all proceed at less than the speed of light, so it is not instantaneous.  So the atom and the cat are no different...except the time for which one can keep them isolated from the environment.

Brent

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